EDF powered FT Toothless

by Burnhard | January 6, 2021 | (4) Posted in Projects

Hi everybody,

After having watched How to Train Your Dragon with my kids, I stumbled acros the FT Toothless (huge thanks to Josh Goates for that fun build). After having watched the build video, I decided I want to include two mods: A removable wing and an EDF instead of a prop.

Lets start with the EDF. I wanted to have an EDF rather than a prop as a dragon does not have a prop on its nose. When looking at the plans, I did a bit of math in order to figure out how big of an EDF could fit into the main fuselage. Also I had to decide where to put the battery. I wanted to stick to the original size of the plans. As the wing is rather far in the front, Toothless has a tendency to get tail heavy rather quickly. In the original build this is partly set-off by the motor moved to the very front of the fuselage and the battery fixed directly below. 

For the EDF version I decided that the EDF would need to go to the bottom of the fuselage with the battery sitting on top, so that most of the weight is moved to the front of the main fuselage. That meant another constraint, the EDF and the battery, which need to be put on top of each other and which need to fit into the main fuselage. For the EDF a 50mm EDF is the max that fits into that fuselage. Also for the battery I was lucky to find a 4S battery that only builds up 23mm.

When building the main fuselage, first I did one small change on the plan for the main fuselage: In the original plans the last piece to close is the bottom part of the main fuselage. I changed that so that the last part to close is actually the top part. That way I had best access for installing the EDF, thrust tube, servos, electronics etc. You can see that I also moved the ESC and the receiver to the front in order to avoid Toothless to become tail heavy.

You can see on the above and below pictures that I inserted two pieces of foam in parallel to the bottom piece, one on top of the EDF to fix the EDF and one in the back to fix the thrust tube. On the back piece, I first did a test fit of the back piece of the fuselage to see how far to the back that can be moved. The front piece also serves as a carrier for the ESC and the receiver. On the front piece I needed to do a cut out, so that there is enough space for the battery. There is another cut out for the battery in the top plate.

Your may notice that at the end of the thrust tube the lower half seems to be missing and that the last like 8 cm are cut in stripes. Actually, when I started putting together the main fuselage and inserted the EDF, my original idea was to simply cut the lower back triangle of the main fuselage to let the air exist there. However, because the back part of the fuselage needs to be inserted in the main fuselage, I worried that there might be too much resistance on the air exiting the EDF and the fuselage. Thus I included the thrust tube. The stripes at the back are slightly bent down so that the air is let around the tail part. This gives a bit of a thrust angle for the exiting air but I doubt that Toothless will have VTOL capabilities ;-)

As mentioned in the intro, I wanted to have a removable wing as the FT Toothless wing is already rather long (I think its longer than most of the wings of the FT Master Series planes) and when transporting the FT Toothless, a fixed wing would be rather impractical. 

When I started putting together the wing I also noticed that the connection between the two halves is rather light and having experienced some folding wings lately, I wanted to strengthen that connection. Therefore I inserted a short piece of carbon fibre in one half of the wing and then pushed together both halves with the piece of carbon fibre tube now sitting in the middle of the two halves (unfortunately I did not take any pictures of that). The length of the carbon fibre piece is around 20 cm, which was about the longest to ensure that the wing remains in a dihedral form. One of the additional benefits of this is, that I did not have to use any tape to connect the two halves of the wing.

To make the wing removable, I went for the good old BBQ skewer solution, pushing one skewer through the front and one through the back of the main fuselage. This proved to be rather tricky as with the EDF inside the main fuselage, there was not much room to maneuverer. On the pictures above you can see that the skewers needed to go through the foam above the EDF and the thrust tube. Once that was done, the wing was fixed with a few rubber bands.

I also did a few minor modifications. First, I used black foam board other than for the part of the tail, which was going to be painted in red. For that I used standard white foam board, as that is much easier to paint. Also I did not use any tape on the fuselage or wing, as I do not like the look. Instead of the coffee stirs for the pushrods I used short pieces of carbon fibre tube, which I glued to the tail part of the fuselage.

Maiden is yet to happen. Wish me luck.

Hope you enjoyed the read!


COMMENTS

Slowjo on February 6, 2021
I wondered when someone was going to do this, cant wait for a flite video : ) SlowJo
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Slowjo on February 15, 2021
do you have any updates... Im building a twin Toothless now
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Burnhard on February 17, 2021
Hopefully soon. Temperatures are on the rise again and I am in the process of getting a ride. Will keep you posted.
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Burnhard on March 7, 2021
Mayden was today. The EDF has enough power to get Toothless of the ground and in the air. Manouverability was not exactly great. I had the feeling that I only had very little control. Need to check my radio. Used the settings for a delta wing. I probably got the settings wrong. Toothless went into a right circle which I could not break out although stearing hard left. However, when I pulled up, Toothless sort of magically leveled again. Landing wasn't a pretty one but its still in one piece.
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Burnhard on March 9, 2021
Spent yesterday night at the workbench and figured out that indeed I got the controls wrong. Left was right and vice versa. Given that rather fatal flaw, I am actually surprised how stable it was. It behaved a bit like a giant glider. Will keep you posted on the second try.
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Hugh Davis on February 21, 2021
I would like to buy the Spitfire you have in the background. My hands are not able to build especially not with the quality that you build with and if you could part with it I would be more than happy to pay for it. We would be helping out a disabled veteran that is unable to do some of these things for himself so I settled for what I call bubble gum airplanes. I don't get a chance to fly real aircraft like the Spitfire and I would love to own the one you have in the background and your pictures in this article. Would you be willing to part with just the airframe? I really would appreciate some help here maybe you could build one for me and I could pay you. Regards Maverick
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Burnhard on February 26, 2021
Oh wow. Many thanks for your praise on my Spitfire built! I would be more than happy to pass it on but only if it was meant to be a display model. The reason is that its structurally not the strongest built I did (it also has a few bruises) and I would certainly do a few things differently if I were to build it again (I am still learning a lot as I am building planes for just over a year now). There is a good chance that you will only fly this one once. I would also be happy to build a new one for you but if it's just for the plane, I would rather suggest to get one out of the box. If I build a new one, just the electronics and other building materials will come in at roughly EUR 200 while you can get a new perfect scale PNP model for about EUR 170 - 250 (check out https://hobbyking.com/de_de/durafly-supermarine-seafire-spitfire-mkiib-1100mm-43-3-pnf-pacific-scheme.html?fee=52&fep=73944&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_DE_Shopping&countrycode=DE&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIybilue-H7wIV1IbVCh1JZAAUEAQYByABEgJ-HPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds and https://www.motionrc.eu/products/flightlinerc-spitfire-mk-ix-pnp?variant=8121259196465¤cy=EUR&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=google+shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrcG_5uyH7wIVld1RCh1mDgldEAQYBCABEgJl9PD_BwE). Also I have no idea how I would do the shipping as the wing is fixed to the fuselage (If I were to build a new one I could leave the wing separate but then you need to do the finish which is tricky with the prior painting). Please send me a private message and I will see how I can help.

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goatboy29 on February 26, 2021
Awesome! I'm glad my build inspired you and I love the improvements you are making! Let me know how it goes!
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EDF powered FT Toothless