FAA RC Registration - FAQ

by FliteTest | December 14, 2015 | (18) Posted in News

 

If you own a drone, you must register it with the Federal Aviation Administration's Unmanned Aircraft System (UAS) registry. A federal law effective December 21, 2015 requires unmanned aircraft registration, and you are subject to civil and criminal penalties if you do not register. 

 FAQ 

Do I need to register my hobby RC airplanes or "toy" quadcopters? 

Yes. "Registration is a statutory requirement that applies to all aircraft.  Under this rule, any owner of a small UAS who has previously operated an unmanned aircraft exclusively as a model aircraft prior to December 21, 2015, must register no later than February 19, 2016." 

Any aircraft over 0.55 pounds and under 55 pounds qualifies and must be registered. 

Do I have to register each of my RC aircraft separately? 

No. For those of you who have dozen's of aircraft, you register once as a pilot you will receive a registration number that must be displayed on all of your aircraft. As a pilot you will need to give your name, home address and email address.  

 

Does it cost?


Yes and no. There will be a $5 fee for registering that is good for 3 years. However as a big 30 day push from (from Dec. 21, 2015 to Jan 20, 2016) to get as many people as possible registered they will be "refunding" the $5 to anyone who registers in this time frame. 

Well what if I don't?


"Failure to register an aircraft may result in regulatory and criminal sanctions. The FAA may assess civil penalties up to $27,500. Criminal penalties include fines of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment for up to three years."

Why is the FAA doing this now?

 

“We expect hundreds of thousands of model unmanned aircraft will be purchased this holiday season,” said FAA Administrator Huerta. “Registration gives us the opportunity to educate these new airspace users before they fly so they know the airspace rules and understand they are accountable to the public for flying responsibly.” 

My Thoughts


There is obviously going to be some chaos with supposedly a million drones being sold this holiday season. However something that drone registration doesn't prevent is people doing really dumb things with their RC aircraft. All it does is mildly increases the chance of identifying and prosecuting someone who isn't aware of or doesn't care about the rules that keeps everyone safe. 
I personally will be registering my aircraft when the registration site becomes available but like most other people who will be quick to register, I am one of the least likely offenders of established rules.

Though registration is one way to increase accountability, education is a better way to increase pilot competency. We hope to continue to educate the ever growing number of RC enthusiasts and hope we can keep counting on you guys to share the information. 

REGISTRATION WEBSITE (Available Dec 21st)

Austin Furey 
Flite Test Team Member 

 

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SP0NZ on December 14, 2015
I will be registering. But I have my doubts that this is going to be effective.
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FliteTest on December 14, 2015
You are not alone :)
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Damig on December 16, 2015
agreed

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DharanFlyer on December 14, 2015
I am with you SP0NZ. I will register and record my number on my air frames.
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The-One-Who-Never-Crashes on December 14, 2015
Yeah! How in the world are they going to know who did what and when through having people register?
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Matthewism on December 14, 2015
There is going to be a system in which if anyone who has your number puts it into a search engine, your name and address - and possibly other information - will be shown. This is all done for the protection of privacy, says the public.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
just wait... wait till something happens to the information on this site in the wrong hands....
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bgreenrobot on December 18, 2015
It definitely will. Every government site with 'general' public information is under minimal security.
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PDARR on December 15, 2015
Wait until the FAA comes to visit your field and you're flying unregistered. They will bust you. The FCC did it for years with CB guys back in the 60's. This is only the beginning.
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tinkerbill on December 16, 2015
I remember what a failure CB registration was! The majority just ignored government! I think this will go the same route!!
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HX4 on December 15, 2015
Will be registering. The $5/3years is a minimal amount. Price we pay for the privilege of flying UASs in the USA. Cost for the very few who think they can fly how and where they want to. The "thing" that will bug me more is if there is a lack of effective enforcement of the regulation and no prosecution. Incident in our local town. LEA unaware of the current WI statue they could have used to at least scare the yahooo.
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SimplyDoug on December 15, 2015
If we are forced to participate in this farce we should start an organization to build and ship a .56 lb foamy to every key leader of both political parties, Supreme Court justices, politicians at the federal, state, and local level and the leadership of the FAA and to keep them legal we should also register them as RC pilots.
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karter.jones on December 14, 2015
This to me sounds like the government is just cashing in on the sales. Like sales tax isn't enough lol. I will register but it won't be that effective. Who is going to monitor it?
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FliteTest on December 14, 2015
My guess is that it will not be monitored.
It essentially is creating a database for RC pilots. That way if one crashes into the empire state building or at a NFL game, it is (in theory) easier to track down the perpetrator. That is if they themselves registered and put the number on their aircraft.... -Austin
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wales on December 14, 2015
Because people who fly into tall buildings and crowds of people register there guns, I mean terrorists, I mean rc plains.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
sadly this is just the beginning friends. If no-one fights, if no-one stands up to this then within a few years there will be no more AMA, no more flying and no such thing as model aircraft flying in this country. As in all things government these days someone in Washington has an agenda to get rid of all r/c flying. I guaranty it. They have power and know we will act like sheep for the most part and let it happen. But its not too late and we can and must fight back on this If not we all lose this special form of recreation for good. A year or so ago many said this would never happen, not to us after all its been happening for how many years now with no regulation other than the AMA and common sense? Then it would only be for fpv... yeah sure you betchya, then all quads n drones then all of us. soon you will see there will be more rules and more people taxed and fined and removed from being able to fly.... Governing bodies like the faa need to be reminded that we control them not the other way around. Please guys stand up and contact your local reps, begin to fight again and do not stop. This is wrong. it must not be allowed to grow....
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PDARR on December 15, 2015
So so true. Mr. AMA, aka Bob Brown is the puppet on the end of the FAA string and probably is getting his pockets lined pretty good for his non participation. so this could happen. This is a hobby not national security.
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TangoLima on December 15, 2015
Only the beginning. What if my drone was to have entered the country illegally, or seeks asylumhood as a refugee?

Imagine if 100000 drones staged a protest and made a large vertical wall in the sky. Large hanging LED signs that linked together to make a massive protest billboard in the sky. Imagine if thesee drones were autonomous... programmed to stage in certain locations not to present a safety hazard, but certainly to get a message across?

I am not suggesting anything here.... but that thought has crossed my mind in recent days.
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Damig on December 16, 2015
Great Point, how does one person like me make a difference. I can call my Senator.. ?
Drones dont fly into airliners, People do.

TangoLima, if you can dream it...... :-) .. wait, Im going to see star wars movie, nvm.."Luke, I am your Big Brother" (George Orwell, 1984)

miggy >Salute<
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karter.jones on December 17, 2015
It's true. We need to do something about this. Im not suggesting a full on Hunger Games rebellion (Although that would be awesome minus the death and our country being trashed), but something does need to happen.
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Tman2003 on December 17, 2015
Absolutely correct.
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WBurgess on January 28, 2016
Its bigger than that...its not the FAA, if you read the regulations the biggest problem is people flying over the 400 feet limitations (Class G) airspace but the biggest problem is with the local authorities, State, City and county trying to micro the FAA laws, which FAA is the sole authority over ALL airspace and the rules set forth are the governing rules. So when law enforcement comes along that is where we need to stand up. Here are a small list of regulation and information ALL operators should know and carry with them when in the field...
14 CFR Part 91, 91-57A, 2120-AK82, DOT FAA 801, FDC NOTAM 4-3621, Summary of major provisions of proposed part 107, Notice of proposed rule making billing code 4910-13-p and FAA H8083-25A... Know the rules and the laws and become smarter and more prepared.
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SimplyDoug on December 15, 2015
Things requiring registration with the US federal government: Scratch built FT Flyers

Things NOT requiring registration with the US federal government: Scratch built Semi-Automatic Rifles

We are "governed" by imbeciles.
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tinkerbill on December 16, 2015
You forgot sex offenders! So maybe the RC community needs to lobby for a amendment to the constitution just like our 2nd amendment rights! The right to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed! I hope this proclamation is a dismal failure and totally ignored! Next they will want registration of ALL RC including ground based, underground based, above and under water based, hobby rocketry, and who knows what else!!!! Oh, they are just getting started! It's all about the power and control over our lives! bahhhh bahhhhh
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Takeshi_M on December 22, 2015
maybe if we all put guns on our airplanes....(Sarcasm)
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davein972land on December 15, 2015
This is a MASSIVE over reach - over reaction by the Federal government. They have NO way of monitoring this. And the fines and jail time are LUDICROUS. I will neither submit or comply. The FAA can kiss my okole.
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LVNeptune on December 14, 2015
Had to register just to reply to this. Sales tax is state/county. Has nothing to do with feds.
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N-Duck on December 14, 2015
As there is nothing in the new rules to keep people from doing stupid things (ie. around airports and buildings, etc) the only new things are a system to point a finger at someone after the problem and the beginning of a new taxation, and therefore control over the law abiders. So typical of our government....Just follow the money!
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Damig on December 16, 2015
Yessir!
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famvmoore on December 15, 2015
If you assume that there are a million drones out there, then at $5 per bird, how much money is the government going to make off of people who love to enjoy the outdoors by flying.

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cluc on December 16, 2015
The federal budget for 2015 is $3.8 trillion, everyone that thinks that this is a cash grab is naively mistaken.
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tinkerbill on December 16, 2015
They shouldn't be charging for this "service" anyway!! And another thing, Has anyone noticed that the wordage is always "drones"?? I take offense to being lumped in with the same group that kill from miles above!! This are remote or radio controlled hobby toys, completely different! Government wants to lump everything under the same lumbrella! Just like how loose they are with labeling everyone who resists government overreach or attempts to bring them to task as "terrorist"!
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Jetmanjo on December 14, 2015
If I only had $5.00 for everyone that registered their "drone", I would be a rich........Entity!!!!
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TurboNinjaStix on December 14, 2015
A pilot number is way better than individual aircraft. Still, it should be free, as suggested by their own "task force". But then they wouldn't have been able to nab that anticipated $3.5M bwfore Christmas 😒
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
it shouldnt be allowed at all ... period

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SimplyDoug on December 15, 2015
Why even require a pilot number when when name and contact info written on the RC aircraft will do exactly the same thing at no cost to anyone? In fact, a local LEO could check to see if this requirement was met immediately and a citizen could track a crashed aircraft back to the pilot without involving the FEDS.

How much is the FAA going to charge to check its new database? Will they protect our data more or less stringently than the OPM did the 21 million clearance and personnel records they let get hacked?

I have three theories:

1) The FAA feels it must "do something" and is more concerned by public perception than doing something smart. It is governance by Public Relations.

2) This is the first step in controlling and likely killing the hobby.

3) The FAA is staffed by unaccountable incompetent bureaucrats.
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flyingrich007 on December 15, 2015
1) FAA employees are going to do nothing to risk their pension!
2) FAA employees are not all knowing
3) I am an instrument rated pilot. IDK what size the billboard will be on someone's model aircraft will need to be for me to see it.
4) After a model aircraft goes through a prop or a turbine, that registration number is meaningless.

BTW, it costs $5 to register an airplane. :) Full sized that is.
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Damig on December 16, 2015
wow, great point, drone flying into the prop or turbine will be gnat-feed.

really, $5 to register a real, full sized airplane? (i wonder if that stops hijacking)

good point rich007 >cheers<
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sam95 on December 14, 2015
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Registration is not required for model aircraft operated solely for hobby or recreational purposes. Guidelines for responsible hobby and recreational operations are available at http://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/.
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scratchee on December 14, 2015
This is a new rule. You are quoting an old rule. Under the new rule, registering hobby and recreational model aircraft is definitely required under the new rules, if the aircraft weighs more than .55 pounds. - See more at: http://flitetest.com/articles/faa-rc-registration-faq#sthash.SoqfjLFi.dpuf
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Deanlewisccnp on December 14, 2015
Will I get to keep my same doctor?
I hope the website doesn't crash :o
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Damig on December 16, 2015
OOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh snap... roflmao
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cluc on December 16, 2015
The federal budget for 2015 is $3.8 trillion, everyone that thinks that this is a cash grab is naively mistaken.
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WBurgess on January 28, 2016
Wow FUNNY! I have been trying to register my UAS?UAV since November. I am a military member stationed overseas in Japan. Here their is no information on registration and MOST locals here don't care. I have written to the FAA several times and the email answer I seem to get is, I cannot register in my location and they (FAA) will not direct me or help me register while overseas. Their is a small community of operators here (military) and all we can say is strange... I work in the aviation field as an Aircraft Electrical and Environmental Systems Craftsman of 15 yrs, I also worked as a Quality Assurance Inspector (QA) for 4 yrs and a Senior Maintenance Operations Command Center (Senior Controller) 2 yrs... and I still don't understand our so called GOVERNMENT! So until....Will just keep flying my quads!
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andre on December 14, 2015
Question now for International visitors at FF2016. Will we need to be registered with the FAA as well? - Sorry to add to your headache this morning Austin ;)
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FliteTest on December 14, 2015
No, not really. There isn't any liability I can think of for an even host if pilots are flying unregistered aircraft. That is purely at the risk of the pilot.
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MototechRyan on December 14, 2015
It is my understanding that to fly at FliteFest you have to have at least an AMA park flyers license. Let alone be registered with the FAA.

I plan to register as soon as registration opens on the 21st. To me the registration seems reasonable. But IMO its like alot of Gov't business...a poorly implemented and poorly managed waste of tax payer money.
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anonymoose on December 18, 2015
The only thing I plan on registering is a complaint.
You are going to give the FAA your credit card?
I won't even give the AMA my credit card!
Do you know what hackers are?
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SimplyDoug on December 15, 2015
How does this apply to your efforts to bring the hobby to schools and STEM programs?
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ZATGamer on December 14, 2015
Q. Is there a citizenship requirement?
A. Only United States citizens can register their small UAS. The certificate serves as a certificate of ownership for non-citizens, not a registration certificate.
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bgreenrobot on December 18, 2015
I think illegals are exempt from everything. Even paying for college. Seriously, Illegals and children of illegals get to go to college for FREE! And tuition is greatly increasing in 2016. If you are a 'minority' you may get a grant. But if you are a white male and not born into a rich family, you are screwed.

So, I am sure illegals don't have consequences for not regristering.
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MZD471 on January 7, 2016
I'm sure his exact word is non-citizens, a lot of us non-citizens are in this country legally, I am a foreign national that studies in US University, we paid our tuitions and sales taxes like everyone else, hell, I even registered on the FAA as soon as it opened. We are not the problem here, non-citizens does not make us illegal.
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pulsar747n on December 26, 2015
According to current guidelines, if your UAS weighs more than .55 Lbs and less than 55 Lbs and you want to fly in US Airspace, you do need to be registered with the FAA. For US Citizens and Residents it is a registration. For non US Citizens it is a proof of ownership. I would not take a chance to fly at a national event without a registration/ownership certificate. The penalties are huge!
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WBurgess on January 28, 2016
No Sir, that is not true at all. I have several emails from the FAA, and if you are an American citizen, you have to register in the United States. The only areas it seems that registration is mandatory only in America and the United Kingdom. Its also funny that these places have UAV flight Schools established that cost a good penny to go through the course...its all about control and the $...by the way, I am currently living in Japan.
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nicomc on December 14, 2015
I feel sorry for all you. This is ridiculous!!
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Nikofant on December 14, 2015
Does this apply to European countries, too?
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FliteTest on December 14, 2015
No, this is from the Federal Aviation Administration which governs the USA. Although many FAA equivalents in other countries take their cues for legislation from the FAA. So it's possible many other countries will see similar registration policy in the future.
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EAWF on December 14, 2015
Please fact check your first paragraph. If what it says is true, somehow a law that becomes effective in Dec 2016 is mandating something to happen in 2015. Something isn't right there.
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FliteTest on December 14, 2015
It may not make sense, but it is a direct quote.
http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/
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EAWF on December 14, 2015
Nope, here's a cut and past of your first paragraph, second sentence: "A federal law effective December 21, 2016..." You have the effective date wrong. It should be 2015, not 2016.
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Ghostrider on December 14, 2015
FAA site had a typo, I think...it has been corrected. Text now reads..."A federal law effective December 21, 2015..."
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Ghostrider on December 14, 2015
PS: Might want to update your Facebook image to reflect the updated text.
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ravision on December 14, 2015
Does this apply to my RC airplanes, indoor quad/drone and my model rockets (estes types of rockets)? Can anybody answer this?
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ravision on December 14, 2015
Also what about for example if my boy has a tiny trainer chuck glider that uses elevators and ruder RC controls.
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FliteTest on December 14, 2015
If it is over 0.55 pounds and radio controlled, it qualifies.
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ravision on December 14, 2015
thank you!

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slovenian6474 on December 14, 2015
Ha! Short course trucks will have to be registered with the FAA.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
just watch if they "launch into the air from a jump etc" they will one day be registered or they will come up with some other nonsense to do it. Just like they just did to us.
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1959cutter on December 15, 2015
even a fr3k'in DLG ??????????????
or a dreamflite DLG ?? non motorized?
David Windistal said if he could keep only one discipline in R/C, it would be DLG
I think the same way.
also as an ultralight pilot, i could fly,and have,anyfreak'in where i want with no numbers or even registration, but i have to register like a sex offender,my 250 quadcopter?
l
000Y!
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dwnhlbikr on December 14, 2015
http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/
Q. If I only fly it indoors, do I have to register it?
A. No, the FAA does not regulate indoor UAS use.

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The-One-Who-Never-Crashes on December 14, 2015
Thank goodness for that!
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runswithscissors95 on December 14, 2015
Indoor only is a no. Rockets are a no. Glider is a yes.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
lol rockets not required and yet some of those go up to 50,000 feet and can cause some real damage..... crazy

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haygood on December 16, 2015
I'm curious why rockets don't have to be registered, and why. I mean, if you are going to screw with an entire population, why not screw with the ENTIRE population?
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thezoobear on December 14, 2015
I agree EAWF, hopefully they'll double check the dates here and clairify.
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FliteTest on December 14, 2015
I believe the confusion is that the law becomes effective (and the registration site available) on December 21st. However existing pilots/aircraft have until Feb 16th to comply before you are potentially penalized.
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1959cutter on December 15, 2015
are they going to send federal compliance officers to check us desert pilots,or will our local yolkles harrass us?
can we make rc flying part of the second amendment,because that is MF'in bullett proff
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tinkerbill on December 16, 2015
Your statement about the 2nd amendment being bullet proof is funny but untrue. It get's trampled on every day someplace! Then again, those in power today ignore the constitution entirely!!
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Irvel on December 14, 2015
I'm still confused if the foreign visitors are required to register. I found this in the FAQ:

Q. Is there a citizenship requirement?
A. Only United States citizens can register their small UAS. The certificate serves as a certificate of ownership for non-citizens, not a registration certificate.


So as a foreign visitor, one needs the certificate of ownership to be able to fly legally?
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FliteTest on December 14, 2015
I do believe you need to register if you are a non-citizen. It looks like they just change the semantics if you are a non-citizen, calling it a "certificate of ownership" instead of a "registration". I could be wrong on this though, I'm sure more information will follow. -Austin
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haygood on December 16, 2015
In other words, they don't want it to sound like they are "registering" non-citizens because that word has some implications for legal and illegal immigration and migration. As I understand it, you will go through the same exact process on the same exact web page, but for you it will have a different name - a certificate of ownership, not registration.
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MZD471 on January 7, 2016
Yeah, it's the exact same process, and you are not asked to provide proof of citizenship during the registration or certificate, whatever you call it. And it is not likely linked with the Department of Homeland security database to check your immigration status because they don't really have enough information to link directly to you exactly, it was only a name and an address if I remember correctly
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Digital Wolf on December 14, 2015
Wow the gouverment in the USA is pretty desperate lol this is crazy xD
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Digital Wolf on December 14, 2015
Gouvernment*

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wmorash19 on December 14, 2015
Government*
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Digital Wolf on December 15, 2015
👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻🙃 that word grrrr thank you sir hehe
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GregPearson on December 14, 2015
How about a banner clearly displaying my SS and Phone # drug behind my Simple Storch..............
I would be more likely to do this than to register Myself as a UAS pilot. Sorry FAA I would have coincided, until i saw there was going to be a fee. Doesn't anyone remember WWII? A simple Google search with two words in it will explain it all........... holocaust, tattoos ........... Nuff said!
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Tinfoil_Haberdashery on December 14, 2015
Hey now. I'm not a fan of this law either, but let's keep it in perspective. On the scale of despotism, this falls way closer to DMV than SS. This registration doesn't seem to me like any more of an overreach than asking people to get their amateur radio or drivers' licenses, and nobody compares their callsign or driver's license number to a holocaust tattoo.

I'm pretty sure Germany didn't start down the road to fascism by requiring their entire population (including Aryans) to register their kites with the Luftwaffe, and I think it's a bit much to imply that this is somehow a step in that direction.
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ZATGamer on December 14, 2015
Q: What is the penalty for failing to register?
A: Failure to register an aircraft may result in regulatory and criminal sanctions. The FAA may assess civil penalties up to $27,500. Criminal penalties include fines of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment for up to three years.


Enjoy that if you get caught, (granted that is unlikely) But I am sure flying fields will require it for you to fly there.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
Japanese citizens, detained "but that's ok because we apologized 50 years later"... PPL do not let them get away with this... freedom after freedom has disappeared from us and we sit by and do nothing.... more freedom gone and more political correctness to replace it..... more freedoms gone and still we like sheep just baaaa baaaa and do nothing....
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lysjones on December 14, 2015
Well, this is the first step. And wouldn't be necessary if it weren't for the morons out there flying next to DFW or posting their 14,000ft 'record' flight. But what will happen is over time, local police will be informed on what is legal and what isn't. So, when you're out in the park tossing your Champ into the air, local police can ask to see your plane to verify 'registration'. With my private pilot cert, local law enforcement didn't have the authority to ask to see my license. But not now...now, anyone with a badge has been given the power. So, expect to be 'ramp checked' in public places.
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Mostly Harmless on December 14, 2015
"So, expect to be 'ramp checked' in public places."

Not just public spaces -- you can also be checked if flying in your front or back yard (even hovering a quad a few feet above the ground). Apparently, the FAA owns all airspace over the US from the ground up as part of the National Airspace System (NAS).
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scratchee on December 14, 2015
"But what will happen is over time, local police will be informed on what is legal and what isn't."

More likely, what will happen is that local police will be told that "UAS's must be registered," without knowing or understanding the particulars. If they receive a complaint from a "concerned citizen," they will then approach a hobby pilot and demand to see the registration for a 1-ounce micro that does not have to be registered.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
and when you say sure just let me land first and they pile drive you into the ground for actually not doing it right this minute..... then someone might decide enough is enough or .... maybe not...
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1959cutter on December 15, 2015
EXACTLY!!! thank you!
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chelget on December 14, 2015
Hi FliteTest, I have a little confusion about the requirements. At the very top it states, "If you own a drone, you must register it with the Federal Aviation Administration's Unmanned Aircraft System (UAS) registry". Later on I found information stating all aircraft. Is this just for drones or if I am flying your foam airplane kits does it also apply? Thanks!
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AkimboGlueGuns on December 14, 2015
Basically the FAA says anything unmanned, so in theory if you made an especially heavy paper airplane it would have to be registered.
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ZATGamer on December 14, 2015
Q. Do I have to register a paper airplane, or a toy balloon or Frisbee?
A. No. Even if these things could be considered "drones" or "unmanned aircraft" and met the minimum weight threshold of 250 gm/0.55 lb., the registration rules also require that they be a part of an "unmanned aircraft system." An "unmanned aircraft system" includes the communication links and components that control the small unmanned aircraft along with all of the other elements needed to safely operate the drone. Paper airplanes, toy balloons, Frisbees, and similar items are not connected to such control system.
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ZATGamer on December 14, 2015
Basically, If it flys and you have control of it and it weights more then 250 gm/0.55 lb it MUST be marked with your FAA Registration number. (the Mark must be on the craft and gotten to without tools, but my be hidden in a battery compartment.)

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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
how many of our planes have battery compartment access without the use of at least a screwdriver?
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haygood on December 16, 2015
Our news media loves to use the word "drone" to get attention. This has nothing to do with the distinction between drones and quads, copters, and planes that aren't drones. If it flies, and is over .55lb, register it. I did see something about the ability to carry a camera in one article on it, but anything can carry some kind of camera, so I'm not sure what that was about.
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Ethan.Kling on December 14, 2015
How will the FAA be enforcing this? If I go to a drone race, will they have a representative there checking every single persons drone? What about my backyard? Are they going to go to my house making sure that my drone is registered? This seems somewhat flawed in my opinion on how they are going to enforce their registration.
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AkimboGlueGuns on December 14, 2015
I don't think they can. The FAA doesn't have an enforcement team, and the police would be hard pressed to enforce this considering they have no way of safely taking an aircraft down.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
are you kidding? The FAA has armed some 5000 members and has their own tactical teams now. And they will show and be just as evil as other agencies. Do a search and see where they have stuck their noses into these days... just look at the last two years................
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Maingear on December 14, 2015
The local Flight Standards District Office is manned with employees that will be randomly checking these events. As the FAA's FAQ states, if you find a drone in your back yard, call the police. Their reports make it to the Flight Standards District Office. Indoors, your good to go with no registration.
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ZATGamer on December 14, 2015
Likelihood is the event coordinator will just require it to participate.
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haygood on December 16, 2015
Drones are capable of autonomous flight. Just because everyone is getting hyper about getting spied on with "drones", please don't use the term to describe quadcopters and other manually flown things that can't fly autonomously. Thanks.
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AkimboGlueGuns on December 14, 2015
As ridiculous as it is, I guess I'll be registering. It's not going to help anything as far as I'm concerned, and frankly it's just a PITA for those of us who are flying responsibly. I also don't want a $30,000 fine for flying at the community model field.
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81zapper on December 14, 2015
I knew this was going to happen just by going to the store and seeing everyone selling them now, with reasonable pricing too. It hasn't happened up here in Canada yet but it will shortly. The rules are pretty much saying If it flies with a transmitter and receiver it needs registration. When it comes up here I'm not going to weigh all my planes ( if there is a weight guideline) I'll just register and go flying Just saying
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
its because of fpv friend...
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Fastlearner on December 14, 2015
Here's the fun.... My FT-Nutball with an HK "blue wonder" and 3s battery by weight requirements must be registered. My Tiny Trainer with a Cobra 2204-2300Kv and a 2s is under 250 grams.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
lol can you imagine... my nutball hurting anything besides my feelings when the silly thing flies off in the wrong direction lol... look out FAA its a DRONE!!! Run Run for your lives!!! its a nutball lol...
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Mostly Harmless on December 14, 2015
An ultralight aircraft -- which carries a person -- does not have to be registered and the pilots licensed if it:

- Weighs less than 254 pounds (115 kg) empty weight, excluding floats and safety devices
- Has a maximum fuel capacity of 5 U.S. gallons (19 L)
- Has a top speed of 55 knots (102 km/h; 63 mph) calibrated airspeed at full power in level flight
- Has a power-off stall speed of 24 knots (45 km/h; 28 mph) calibrated airspeed or less

But my FT Flyer, with an all-up weight of 267 grams does, or I face up to $277,500 and 3 years in prison???
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Thorsclaw on December 14, 2015
If anyone wants to learn more about ultralight aircraft more information can be found
here http://goo.gl/2y2Fnh (the actual law)
and here http://goo.gl/zHcMvZ (the law but as text and easier to navigate)
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Thorsclaw on December 14, 2015
direct quote from the federal aviation regulation
"§103.7 Certification and registration.
(a) Notwithstanding any other section pertaining to certification of aircraft or their parts or equipment, ultralight vehicles and their component parts and equipment are not required to meet the airworthiness certification standards specified for aircraft or to have certificates of airworthiness.

(b) Notwithstanding any other section pertaining to airman certification, operators of ultralight vehicles are not required to meet any aeronautical knowledge, age, or experience requirements to operate those vehicles or to have airman or medical certificates.

(c) Notwithstanding any other section pertaining to registration and marking of aircraft, ultralight vehicles are not required to be registered or to bear markings of any type."

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webbhm on December 14, 2015
And now you understand government logic.
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Flightmaster on December 14, 2015
Hopefully our representatives aren't afraid of the dark or else they might pass a law to put giant lanterns all over the country
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danield on December 15, 2015
Cartoons make more sense.
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Maingear on December 14, 2015
FAR 103's intent is to preserve the "spirit of freedom" spawned by origin of manned flight in the US. There used to be a law on the books that stated if you built it, you could fly it in uncontrolled airspace. That went away in the late 90s.

Idiots flying RC in controlled airspace is what drove this new rule.
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Tinfoil_Haberdashery on December 14, 2015
I'm not sure this is true. Here's an FAA site that talks about registering ultralight-class aircraft:

https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/amateur_built_aircraft/

Though it doesn't explicitly imply that that's required, so I'm not sure.
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Maingear on December 14, 2015
Reference: FAR103.7
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scratchee on December 14, 2015
I'm embarrassed to admit that I see the logic. An ultralight will always be operated by a person onboard who can identify himself and the aircraft if need be. An unmanned aircraft is more likely to be found in a field, tree, or rooftop with no person around to claim responsibility. Plus, terrorists.
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SimplyDoug on December 15, 2015
So we need a federal bureaucracy to force a registry instead of just requiring us to put name and contact information on the RC aircraft?
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d2it4me on December 15, 2015
Do you honestly think a terrorist will register their aircraft? This is nothing more than a money grab and the beginning of the destroying the hobby.
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danield on December 15, 2015
Big brother is alive and well. Money and who gets it . Who are they going to charge to enforce this stupidity.

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haygood on December 16, 2015
Well, they might, but they might not register it to themselves. Seriously, Name and e-mail gets you registered. What exactly is the verification process here to make sure I'm not flying with someone else's number.

Oh, and I guess you are breaking the law if someone hands you their controller, since the pilot is not registered?

I might be somewhat annoyed, if you haven't noticed.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
Isn't that something yet they are worried about us... of course we know its because of the fpv flying.. this is what got them upset and controlling.. The ability to fly explosives into something from miles away... guys do you know how much damage a 6 oz chunk of HE can do? More than you think...... Yet they are wrong for picking on all of us over this thing that has yet to happen...
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d2it4me on December 15, 2015
Not to mention it will not stop it anyway as the terrorists don't care about registration laws.
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solarflash on December 14, 2015
Ok, let me get this right, from what I've read above. This is really not a registration of each of our planes but a registration of the pilot, is this right???? I sure hope so, because the way Flitetest offers new designs, I never know what I'll be flying from week to week If this is correct why don't they say drone pilots need to be registered instead of saying you have to register your drone,? Np logic at all....
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
lol its scary friend.... I was making one of every plane FT has for home scratch builds. Now I will not be flying them as long as this is going on. Sad and mad at the same time.
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ttprigg on December 14, 2015
Thanks Austin---
I really struggle with the logic. Throughout the process we have been hearing about the "near miss" with full scale aircraft here or the "peeping tom" there. How is this registration going to change any of this? It seems that the group "government officials and industry leaders" working to draft this document was hijacked. The responsible (rule followers) who already recognize the responsibility inherent in tossing their model in the air will now be on a list. Those who break the rules will no doubt continue to ignore both the public and personal risks. I am disappointed that the AMA was not able to represent the needs of the community better. I will likely register however, I wish the AMA would push back with It's collective membership and say - "You Missed the Mark! Re-group and try again..."
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
Just wait till a bad guy (or girl) gets a hold of local registration numbers and puts yours on a plane they use to cause harm.... Its going to happen...
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The-One-Who-Never-Crashes on December 21, 2015
Yeah, and then go out and try to prove that it wasn't you.
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haygood on December 16, 2015
Peeping Tom's are already violating privacy laws. No new laws are needed.
People flying into controlled airspace are already violating laws. No new laws are needed.

People flying into buildings are violating laws if they are trespassing or damaging the building. If it just bounces off, who cares?
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ta152d on December 14, 2015
So, if my house happens to be searched and many aircraft are found, will I be fined in spite of the fact I have not flown for years???
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ta152d on December 14, 2015
...or what if only the planes I have flown recently are marked correctly. Are we required to mark junk heaps waiting to be restored?
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
if the heap is over .55 lbs then yes. Stand up folks fight this nonsense because that is what it is.
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SimplyDoug on December 15, 2015
Inside of every sheet of DTFB is an aircraft struggling to get out. How long until I need to show ID to purchase it like I do sudafed and spray paint?

I am certain that this registry will be run as efficiently and flawlessly as voter registration...no ID required.
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1959cutter on December 15, 2015
less than 20 cases of voter fraud in the last 10 years!
out of the MILLONS that vote.
also unessasary.
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haygood on December 16, 2015
LOL. Fewer than 20 cases of prosecuted fraud, maybe. Billions, I'll bet, of cases of fraud the laws do nothing to stop. That's the real news.

You can really get a sense of why societies and/or governments just sort of naturally die off or fall apart throughout history. How can any organization carry the continued weight of the thousands of new laws passed every year?
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tinkerbill on December 16, 2015
Maybe less than 20 cases prosecuted but thousands upon thousands of voter fraud takes place!!
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John F Hendry on December 15, 2015
ta152d said: "So, if my house happens to be searched and many aircraft are found, will I be fined in spite of the fact I have not flown for years???" Look it up and you will see using Civil Forfeiture laws they can take your house without even arresting you or charging you with a crime just as they have done to the parents of kids smoking pot and many other people for many other reasons of "suspicion" as the USA becomes more like Mexico and Germany Pre WW2 and History repeats itself... only the weapons being used have changed. .
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
according to their rules if you have planes before Dec 21 you only have 60 days to register them. so yes your in trouble friend. Mine are all going up for sale. Going back to target shooting...
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KrzyInuYasha on December 14, 2015
There is a massive flaw with this system, and that is the pilot is issued one number for all their vehicles and not a unique number for each vehicle. Why this is an issue, is what is to stop some one from stealing my number and using it on their craft that leads to an incident that could be tracked to me as the pilot, despite the fact I wasn't the pilot or owner of that air craft, because it had my number on it, I now have Feds at my door invading my life over some thing I didn't do with no easy way to prove I didn't do it.

I will not be registering for this BS for this reason and several others.
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wales on December 14, 2015
Yep, thanks for pointing that out
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wales on December 14, 2015
I hope flight test or anyone on youtube blures out there reg numbers in there videos
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TimmyGT on December 14, 2015
"Does the registration number have to be affixed to the aircraft? Yes, unless the registrant chooses to provide the FAA with the aircraft’s serial number. Whether the owner chooses to rely on the serial number or affix the FAA-issued registration number to the aircraft, the marking must be readily accessible and maintained in a condition that is readable and legible upon close visual inspection. Markings enclosed in a compartment, such as a battery compartment, will be considered “readily accessible” if they can be accessed without the use of tools."

This is a direct quote from page 32 of the IFR

Let's not get anymore paranoid than we need to and READ the rules before jumping to conclusions
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KrzyInuYasha on December 14, 2015
It still doesn't stop some one from getting some ones number and using it, does putting it inside make it harder yes, but it doesn't stop them or solve the issue pointed out.

And I don't consider this to be paranoia, I consider it common sense thinking, some thing that the FAA and this government doesn't have or has had in a very long time.
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TimmyGT on December 14, 2015
If the number is inside your aircraft how is someone getting it?? But you don't need to worry about that happening because you already stated that you will not be registering, so don't sweat it man!
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AirKaos on December 14, 2015
We have an advantage, write the number on the power pod cover it with paper, poster board or whatever and as long as you use your power board you could put it in 10 different aircraft and be legal.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
Have you ever flown n lost a plane in the trees? How about now all local clubs will be keeping logs of everyone's numbers? They will end up having to do so and when you travel to a show and want to fly? They will have to have your numbers as well.. the list goes on. I have to ask Timmy and I mean no disrespect how old are you?
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TimmyGT on December 14, 2015
That's the Registration and Marking Requirements for Small Unmanned Aircraft Interim Final Rule (IFR) to be more clear on where the info came from
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
read the rules n now am even more mad, upset and ashamed at our government.
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pakelika1 on December 15, 2015
The "flaws" will get sorted out quicker than we can blink I am sure. This scares me ALOT however because what is down the road we are not yet thinking of/seeing? What's next, all UAS RX's possibly having a chip in them that will not work/bind untill your Reg. # is programmed into it? Horizons planes all seem to have gyro's, accelerometers, ect. in them that are programmable. How hard would it be to make them unusable untill your RX holds your info. Internally. That would work very well especially down the road. I hope I don't see this happen or something equally bad but it begs the question, what if? Good way to take the fun out of yet another wholesome passtime and we wonder why people choose to engage in less than wholesome activities, because regulations get put on everything fun that keeps us out of trouble, IMO. Anyway all I see is Google and Amazon with there efforts to use drones to deliver packages and what have you want us hobbyists out of the picture and just flying at a Flying Field which are limited and I see this as phase 1 of more big money companies buying there way "in" once again. As these companies mentioned above are/have been thinking of using drones in this way for some time. The only thing in there way as an Amazon CEO stated is a safe however not fair way to get us hobbyists in a concentrated area/out of the picture so they, big brother, and other multi-million/billion dollar companies can take over the US airspace. Truth be told there is just not enough people in this hobby for the majority of citizens to care if we get kicked aside. My thought in 1 to 2 years this hobby will be dead or so limited it won't even be worth the money and hassle to participate. Which is horrible because I'm not going to dive into details but this hobby literally saved my life. Bye bye local football field/park flying. This sounds like the beginning of the end!!!
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
How about when you have to have a chip in your hand to link to your transmitter that will link to your plane? Will that be ok too? Sooner than you think friends if we don't stand now.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
whether you have a different number for each plane or one for all its the same friends. Someone bad will get it at your local field or off a youtube video or facebook etc n you will pay the heavy price for it.
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Captain Crash on December 14, 2015
do i register ive made friends of the people who do not approve "drones" and showed them the truth
of our hobby i dont want to let FAA waste our time but do i register i dont want to be known as a person who gets the wrong attention for the hobby but this is a useless rule i dont want to support the let me know what to do please
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Superfly FPV on December 14, 2015
I knew that the FAA would all let us down. I knew that they would never keep their promises. I knew you would have to pay. Why does the Government suck so much?
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pakelika1 on December 15, 2015
It's America...need I say more. All were good at are backwards rules and getting are selves into debt. This is one small way to try and show the "average" person who believes the forged lies our government cares about us and are safety, ha...
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Ace 13 on December 14, 2015
I don't see how this will be effective because if I don't register, who is going to check my plane. If I do register what does it matter, are they going to have somebody find out if i fly or something. This makes me mad!
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The-One-Who-Never-Crashes on December 14, 2015
Besides, the number may be placed inside the airframe. That means that the registration becomes completely useless.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
where you going to fly? No club will face sanctions for you so you wont get to fly there without proving you registered... no park will allow it either.. sooner or late there will be popo checking you out there as will be special employees driving around just looking for violators....
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Flightmaster on December 14, 2015
Unless I have misunderstood, it is only the law abiding RC pilots who will be registering. From what I can gather registration is not mandatory, so the "drone" operators who are a legitimate "threat" to manned aircraft or people/property probably won't. Why would someone who is going to fly their "drone" in a manner that may potentially cause harm to someone willingly let the FAA know who they are and where they live? Making failure to register a possible criminal offense seems a bit overkill, and since when do the real criminals ever follow the law?
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wales on December 14, 2015
I don't know ask our president he seems to think this way
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pulsar747n on December 26, 2015
The Republicans started this whole registration thing: http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/258010-house-republican-calls-for-national-drone-registry
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The-One-Who-Never-Crashes on December 14, 2015
Exactly.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
your right just like all the sill gun rules that only target law abiding folks and do nothing to stop a criminal. Its following the same pathways right now...
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danield on December 15, 2015
Responsible RC pilots already belong to the AMA and comply to the required id on their aircraft. Why do we need another government number and control?
Big brother is alive and well. Money and who gets it .

If I didn't want my plane back or Feds at my door.
This an exercise in stupidity.
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The-One-Who-Never-Crashes on December 14, 2015
Great! Just great! Wonderful! (Being sarcastic here.)

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SimplyDoug on December 14, 2015
Why establish a registry and a bureaucracy to administer it when the same thing can be achieved by requiring R/C pilots to put their name and contact info directly on the aircraft? That could be done for free to pilots and the US Taxpayer. This law is overkill unless the FAA plans further restrictions.

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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
your right and btw my club as does most ama folks already have our names and addresses and ama numbers in the planes... only the lone fliers and bad guys do not.
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TimmyGT on December 14, 2015
This is easy peasy for FT aircraft with a power pod, you can just put your registration # on the pod. Is this whole thing ridiculous? YES! But it's happening, let's not cry about it and just figure out how we are going to live with it.
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wales on December 14, 2015
Or let's not be a pussy and fight it
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
Fight it son . What your comments all have in common is a person that lets the government do whatever they want without a fight. If we all did this we would be taken over long ago.... We must always check the government and keep them in check as well. we are supposed to be a government OF the people made up BY the people FOR THE PEOPLE not the other way around...
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pulsar747n on December 26, 2015
Agree! That is why we have the Patriot Act and Congressman proposing our control: http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/258010-house-republican-calls-for-national-drone-registry
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fryanryan9 on December 14, 2015
Thank you so much I have been wondering about this stuff
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benny on December 14, 2015
Are you guys going to sell that plane on your store?
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localfiend on December 14, 2015
Yeah... Congress hasn't given the FAA authority to regulate RC aircraft under 55lbs. I'll be watching to see how this goes.
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scratchee on December 14, 2015
Congress? Authority? How quaint.
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localfiend on December 15, 2015
Yeah, silly me. Congress actually forbids the FAA from regulating RC aircraft when operated under AMA standards. Too much to hope that a government agency would follow the rules.
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LEDspammer on December 14, 2015
hummm... lets see how light i can get my little 180... .55 lbs well see
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DrDiff952 on December 14, 2015
Has anyone had a problem with calling an airport to fly a quad with in 5 miles of an airport? I know of several parks that are within 5 miles of a county airport.

I know it is a pain but I want to play by the rules so that we can keep on flying RC aircraft both fixed wing and rotor craft.
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pulsar747n on December 26, 2015
I have called two airports and notified them of my intentions. I have not had any problems whatsoever! Remember you do not need permission, you just need to notify them.
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cjxj on December 14, 2015
I will register, but although I can understand the concern about FPV flight, I just don't understand the logic on the non-FPV flight, fixed or rotating. Seems pretty much self limiting and really difficult to imagine creating the mischief this legislation is trying to address. I do not fly FPV (at least not yet).... Flying on line of sight, I get real uncomfortable about maintaining my orientation LONG before it's out of sight. Horizotally, it's even more difficult with a quad copter than fixed wing. All of my planes are foam board and my quads are scratch built. Still, with the exception of my mini scout, all seem weigh over .55 lbs fully loaded, so I guess I need to register. Don't want my FT Flyer threatening our air traffic safety or national security.
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Crash and Burn RC on December 14, 2015
no one understands it man

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scratchee on December 14, 2015
I suspect this law could be called the "what to do when a quad lands on the White House Lawn" act.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
The reason all are now having to do this is because a few years ago when we were trying to stop the AMA from allowing FPV to be a part of our club and organization they wouldn't listen. we warned this would happen... they scoffed at us,... we said just let them start their own organization and rightfully so if for bo other reason to stop this from happening before it got this far.... we were told to shut up because its all the same... well its not and now see where we are? The government used these fpv guys to get in the door to mess with all of us. Sorry guys that's a fact now. I am not against fpv I like it and am considering doing it myself but it should never have been a part of the AMA it should have been your own thing. The flying is not the same as any other kind of flying. IT is separate and different. Now its too late... well maybe.... maybe not.......... depends on how we stand to stop big government from getting bigger. Do you know how many more billions the FAA will now get from congress to gain the manpower needed to stop the dreaded nutball from flying into a building and scratching it?
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rfabian847 on December 14, 2015
Trained RC pilots who are members of the AMA and sanctioned clubs should take the lead and register without stupid comments. We need to lead and contribute to the effort to keep us safe. Flaps
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CrashnDash on December 14, 2015
Just because the FAA says this is how it is, doesn't mean that it is right. I would be disapointed (to say the least) if our officers and AMA leaders that we elected to safeguard us and our hobby, just rolled over on this issue. Please, just think about this, we are talking about requiring that our glorified paper airplanes are now to be registered in the same way as a Cessna 172 or a Boeing 777. Is there not some very wrong with that?
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
yes tehre is friend yes there is. Maybe the FAA should first go after ultralight aircraft with real folks in them....
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loknar28 on December 14, 2015
Even though we live in a dangerous world I feel relatively safe right now. Oddly, a registry of children's Christmas presents doesn't contribute to this feeling.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
agree 100 percent friend.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
trained rc pilots and members of the AMA should NEVER have allowed the AMA to go to bat for FPV. and we certainly should lead. Right to our representatives and make them stop the FAA nonsense.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
I think some of us AMA folks think maybe your comment is the as you called ours "stupid comment"
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mrkent on December 14, 2015
FPV is fun. I am just getting into it at the age of 73. I have over 1500 hours flying full-size aircraft as a private pilot. Legislation always comes about as a result of those folks who seem to lack respect for their neighbors. So it has come about in the RC world for the same reason. I don’t like to see it happen like this but it is now the law. My advice to those who have a desire to see what it looks like above 400 feet in the air: Google Earth is the least expensive choice. Or, go to ground school, take your flying lessons, get your Airmen’s Certificate (pilot license) and fly above 400 feet legally. Like the rest of us who love flying.
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Nodent on December 14, 2015
Now Law Officials have something to hold against those that fly in parks and public areas. They can ask for them to show registration information and view that the craft is properly marked.
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TuDawgs on December 14, 2015
SO...everyone just wants to throw away your rights as an American citizen....hmmm sounds a lot like the 2A legistration and firearms...oh no we just want you to register...we won't take anything away...YET...go ahead and register...enjoy our hobby while you can...BTW..."you can't fix stupid" registration or not!!!

TuDawgs
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scratchee on December 14, 2015
I wasn't going to broach that subject, but since you did, maybe some RC flyers who support gun control can get a glimpse into the mentality of those who oppose gun control. Guns and RC aircraft are not the same and do not carry the same risks, but in this thread we see much of the same logic, eg who will comply and are they the ones causing the problems, what are the opportunities for abuse by authorities, etc.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
I agree completely. Look at California for a moment 14 dead many more wounded in yet another gun free zone. it is an example of government saying they are doing something to protect us yet in the end it hurts us much more. The same will happen here. This is just a way in the door and they will not stop here. someone there doesn't like r/c flying for whatever the reason. they complained, another listened to their nonsense and now here we are. our lovely sport and recreation is disappearing and we must stand up. Like my favorite apostle states... when you have done all to stand.... stand.....
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SimplyDoug on December 15, 2015
Under federal law you can build your own rifles and handguns without registering with the government.
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John F Hendry on December 15, 2015
TuDawgs Yes, that is exactly what people will allow to happen but they will allow MUCH more to happen without doing a thing about it. On June 9, 2009 the WA Klickitat Sheriffs broke a Superior Court Order to assist a political lobbyist I met buying a house steal the case evidence and legal papers needed in a lawsuit along with everything else I owned to stop the 9 yr lawsuit in Hawaii over 2000 miles away (JFH vs MCR HOA Et al.) when they all knew I was just 21 days away from winning it. The entire town of White Salmon WA knows what happened but no one did anything except assist the Sheriffs in ways that make America look just like Germany before WW2. Human Nature has not changed.and people are only upset because it affects them now... but when it was someone else they couldn't' think less about it. This is called History repeating itself and History shows what follows.
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pulsar747n on December 26, 2015
We should not allow government to take our rights away! That is why voting is important! We should also understand who precisely wants to take our rights as Americans: http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/258010-house-republican-calls-for-national-drone-registry
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pherder on December 14, 2015
Okay, I can see someone making up a number and putting it on their aircraft. See? I have a registration number!

Then something happens and the FAA gets involved and searches that number and guess what, it either doesn't come up in their database or it does and the "owner" is someone not even close to where the aircraft came down.

:rolleyes:

Then there is the problem of the database with our names, email accounts and addresses that will be hacked OR the media will use the Freedom of Information Act to get our names and the witch hunt will be on!

Got to love the US Gov...
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scratchee on December 14, 2015
Or a person with an accent is detained for photographing a bridge, and the media breathlessly reports that "he has registered over a dozen drones."
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alexfly on December 14, 2015
Thanks for the heads up guys
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chodgson on December 14, 2015
Hey guys, from Canada here so not affected by this new change but I think you need to understand how it just the first step. Even just as it is, I think it gives another tool to local law enforcement to deal with issues. Right now, a lot of trouble generated by "bad" drone pilots is very difficult for local law enforcement to deal with. Registration gives them another tool - yes, the baddies may not register, but if they are causing problems and get caught, they can be in even more trouble now. Without this tool, many cities have already banned model aircraft altogether, and as they become a bigger nuisance, without any tool to manage or monitor them, this would surely happen in more places. As long as the FAA "appears" to be managing the problem, the local jurisdictions have less motivation to take matters into their own hands.

Furthermore, I expect that the registration process will eventually happen at the point of purchase, similar to full size aircraft or cars. This still won't catch everyone (scratch builds and mail-orders and second-hand purchases), but it makes it harder. Right now, a drone flying where it shouldn't be could just be an uneducated pilot, how is he supposed to know? With registration in place, it is a lot harder to claim ignorance (not that ignorance is a valid defense).

Furthermore, with the laws around drones likely to be continuing to change in the near future, registration provides a way for the FAA to provide updated information to everyone who needs it in a timely manner.

I think this is a good step forward, though I find the timing interesting (this late in the Christmas season). If I was an american, I would certainly register. It will be interesting to see if Canada follows suit, having just recently put a lot of effort into our own drone policies.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
You sadly don't understand our bill of rights and right to NOT have the government infringe upon our daily lives. This is definitely NOT a step in the right direction friend it cannot be allowed to continue.

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tictocdoc on December 14, 2015
You can bet that the first, unfortunate, person that gets busted with their shiny, new, drone will be made an example of......Don't want to be "that guy".

Sooooo I still have a few questions:

1) What branch of the government / law enforcement will actually INTERPRET and enforce the new law? (Local police, FAA, DOT???), and HOW will it be enforced? (ticket, arrest, confiscation?)
2) Besides the $5 registration fee, how will this be funded? There has to be computer hardware, software, storage, maintenance, etc, etc, etc. I'm a computer geek by profession and I know that it will take ($$$$$$$$$$$$$).
3) How will this data be protected?
4) Will this data be shared with any other "alphabet" agencies? (DHS, FBI?)
5) If I have an accidental "fly-away" and someone finds my craft will I be subject to some possible penalties? (Loss of registration , Fines?)
6) I suddenly decide that I no longer want to fly ever again, how do I remove my info from the database?
7) Will the DOT (or FFA) be tasked with notifying me when my registration dues are up for renewal?
8) If I'm pulled over and the police discover an "unregistered-drone" in my car, can I be arrested or my craft be confiscated?

I think that this law is nothing but another "knee-jerk" reaction by the government that will only affect responsible, law-abiding, citizens. I am very disappointed in the AMA's ability to make our concerns heard. I think that as with any governing body we should consider replacing the current board members at our earliest opportunity. Again, just my opinion.

Anybody want to buy a drone that's had the serial number filed off? ;-).

JUST KIDDING!
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lr on December 14, 2015
1. My guess is...all of the above. I just hope they're not terribly serious about it. They don't actually have to resources for uniform enforcement or anything like that.
2. With money that could be more useful elsewhere.
3. Just as well as all the other data, of course. I think they're going to be using a contractor from the start. God help you if you have the same name as..(insert alleged bad guy's name here, occasionally including Senators from no fly list.)
4. I suspect it will be shared, but not effectively, just like a lot of other data.
5. Good question, but if so, enforcement will necessarily be arbitrary.
6. I doubt that, even if they try to remove it, that it will vanish from all the backup tapes.
7. I dunno.
8. I think they say "before flight". I would be very surprised if things developed this way. Unless they don't like you, of course.

This isn't too horrible unless they keep making it worse, but IMHO, it's all about the data. OTOH, there are already license plate cameras, GPS in our phones, etc.

I suspect the AMA was trying pretty hard, but the FAA has a history of being unreasonable fairly often, even to people and organizations with lots of money. It seems to me that this rule violates Congress's intent with the law they passed trying to keep the FAA's hands off our models. This FAA rule is bad for AMA, too. AMA says they haven't given up on redressing this.

I don't think this is about safety, or that it will affect safety at all. I think it's about data and a fig leaf for FAA. And maybe an attempt to set a precedent for expanded jurisdiction. I don't think it's about privacy, either. If so, they'd limit it to stuff with cameras. If it was about safety, they'd limit it to dangerous UAV's with navigational abilities and visual or navigational telemetry. There are some autonomous models sold which won't go more than, say, 2 kilometers from launch. Those should probably be exempted.
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lr on December 14, 2015
P.S. DId you write some letters when the AMA asked you to? If not, you don't really have much right to complain. If you did, kudos. I wrote a few myself, but I admit I got sick of it after a while. What bugs me is what happens to people in smaller hobbies than ours?

further thought:
If this was about safety, shouldn't they register baseballs first? Getting hit by those is painful and rather common. Lots more kinetic energy in the air than most quad copters.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
yes wrote letters to AMA, to FAA, to Senators and Congressmen... even one to pennsylvania ave
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pherder on December 14, 2015
If you even think you will fly an RC aircraft that weights > .55 lbs. the US Gov. requires you to register... not the aircraft, you are registered. If you have 15 aircraft and only one is > .55 lbs, you register yourself and you are good to go for 3 years. AND if you register in the first month, the gov will do one of two things (not very clear on this). One no fee or two they will refund the fee (yeah, right...). It better be no fee or I might just quit this hobby and go back to full size cars/motorcycles. Where I am moving (Dodge City, KS) the entire city is under the 5 mile exclusion zone :( so it may not be very hard to convince me to quit.

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SimplyDoug on December 15, 2015
You could take up knife making. No registration required.
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peabody1929 on December 14, 2015
How many hits per hour do you think a FAA government website can take? The first day of registration could end registration.
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tictocdoc on December 14, 2015
Sort of like "healthcare.gov?" :-)
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gittarpikk on December 14, 2015
That's exactly the way it is.... and probably ran just like the IRS..

It was once stated by an IRS officer that the IRS simply could not go after everyone all the time...and chose rather to go after 'examples' and publicize them ...of course after hefty , ridiculous fines.

When asked do they go after Joe Plumber...or blue collar workers etc.. answer was just occasionally ...as an example... Their (IRS) employees make tens of thousands of dollars by 'going downtown' and busting a big business on simply an 'interpretation' of a single law when going after 'Joe Plumber' would maybe net $500 taking the same amount of time and resources.

Its a 'Profit'...and that is exactly what they are looking to harvest.

IMHO... this is yet another invasion of privacy ...harvesting everyone's name and details on a 'data' list. ...and woe be unto the ones that get media or law attention as that would create the perfect ' example ' they could bust with a ridiculous fine...and publicize it greatly....scaring the servants into getting' registered'

Me... I'll just put an address label size sticker on all my batteries with AMA and really small...the new number. This way all my 50 plus planes will have a number in them,.,..

Now who wants to talk about a new 'NO FLY' list that surely will be down this path somewhere...
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
no fly lists within 6 months i bet. As for the small numbers make sure you dont need a screwdriver or pliers or wedge to open the battery box. if so your in violation....
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Propdriver on December 14, 2015
I do despair sometimes.
Why go to the trouble of having to set up a new registration system when there is already one in place.
The AMA has all model pilots registration details and provides 3rd party insurance to its members and gives each pilot a membership number which should be attached clearly to the model.
If the rules had been made to insist that anyone flying or operating one of these models had to be registered with the AMA and carry their insurance then these details could be shared with the FAA and cut out much of the bureaucracy.
This would also have done much to improve the hobby for the serious modellers by bringing in extra revenue for the AMA which could have been used to improve facilities and venues for competition events, and also to possibly to improve the education of newbies coming into our magic hobby.
I wonder who dropped the ball on that idea?
Prop Driver
U.K.
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xtrmtrk on December 14, 2015
If you think the under-funded, under-staffed, over-worked FAA wants to take this on, you're mistaken. It's a much bigger headache for them than it is for us who need to spend $5 and 5 minutes on a website. They would MUCH prefer working on making our airports, aircraft and airspace more modern and efficient.

The push for this is coming from your friends, neighbors and family. Talk to your elected representatives (I have) and you'll find that they are getting hundreds if not thousands of calls and letters from people who are afraid that their neighbor's "drone" is taking away their right to privacy and endangering their lives. Push further and you'll probably find that you're the only person from the RC hobby world they've ever directly spoken to on the topic. A very vocal public is afraid - and they vote!

I actually find it remarkable that the Federal Government has reacted this quickly. Not what you'd expect from what is supposedly an inefficient bureaucracy. I suspect part of the thinking is that the FAA will be able to say "Look, we did something. Now let us get back to our real work."

What I find sad is that the public's fears are now more of a driving factor in FAA regulations than science and engineering.
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lr on December 14, 2015
If the FAA didn't want to take this on, they've shot themselves in the foot. Why not limit the requirement to the flying stuff the public actually fears? For instance, if it doesn't have a camera, it doesn't threaten their privacy. If it doesn't have FPV AND a camera, or very precise navigation, it's not a safety threat unless it's large, or at least fast. On the other hand, it would be easy to make something weighing 7.99 ounces that was more dangerous than my gliders that weigh several pounds. And so on. The numbers would quickly shrink. I suppose the FAA's behavior doesn't have to make more sense than anyone else's, but I wish it did.

The public's fears are ALWAYS a driving factor if they reach a certain point. Those fears are being manipulated to sell news shows and politicians.

I suppose we should keep this in perspective when a leading presidential candidate advocates severely trashing first amendment rights, and isn't run out of town for it.
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pulsar747n on December 26, 2015
Actually, it was a Republican Congressman that started this: http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/258010-house-republican-calls-for-national-drone-registry
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
with all due respect you work for the FAA in public relations now don't you? If not your are just wayyy off base. We are the public too and we vote. We the people are tired of this nonsense and having ppl not stand up and take responsibility. How many government officials and spokesmen and women say things like this guy just did? pass the buck, blame the neighbors etc.... yes there are a few nuts out there and yes a few complain but more than most of us just do our best and do not infringe on other peoples rights nor properties. The FAA brought this to the media not friends and neighbors. THE faa wants more funding and this is how they are trying to get it. By claiming they are understaffed and need more money, more manpower to stop the dreaded r/c crowd that's killing America... how ridiculous...
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xtrmtrk on December 15, 2015
No, I don't work for the FAA, never have, never will. But I do have friends who do. And they are smart hard workers. Have you ever met anyone who worked in the FAA (Not TSA)? You really are slandering the wrong people here and I've got to say I'm fairly offended by that. They deserve more respect for keeping us flying safely.
And have you actually talked TO any lawmakers about this? I mean, do like I did, make appointments with them, drive 3 hours to your state capital, talk to them face to face about this topic? Give up a day of your time to defend something you're passionate about? Until you do, you have ZERO credibility on this topic. When you do, you'll find a very different story of why this is happening. There are way more than a "few" "nuts" complaining to our lawmakers.
I totally agree with you on one thing, most of us do the right thing. But 99% of America doesn't think so.
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1959cutter on December 16, 2015
after reading forbes i realized we were "spoofed" by the AMA!
they knew what was going to happen and made a cash cow with my $75.00 for "insurance",
that they are selling at BEST BUY along with their UAV's.
do you realize how much corruption this much money in the hands of a few guys from indiana could pay for?
the AMA is in tight with the feds,and raised our dues as a money grab for themselvs,with no intention of representing US!!
this is called BAD FAITH! ,a term in the legal world for disingenous money grubbers and scamming thieves!
i will niether enrole nor renew with the AMA or the fed's attempt at misdirected control of me!
i guess you can tell i am angry,but i can see right through this scam!
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1959cutter on December 16, 2015
i will now practice at the shooting range with my unregistered gun!
aahh freedom!
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gregan50 on December 14, 2015
Just like the CB license....the FCC did not have the resources to enforce.

The FAA does not have the authority nor the resources to enforce this..... So just make up a registration number put it on your machine and fly away..
Nobody will know the difference...

And if you are worried about someone asking just create a fake ID....

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mauijoe98 on December 14, 2015
I have been flying almost 40 years and have been an avid builder and flyer of R/C aircraft. I have always maintained safety as my first priority. But I really think the government is over reaching again and trying to control every aspect of our lives. I think this current administration just wants to control every aspect of our lives. I really don't think they value our personal freedom .
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
I agree been around for over half a century now and it sickens me to see where the government has bee lead. Enough is enough... freedom after freedom just gone because of us. Its our faults for not making them do what WE tell THEM to do not the other way around...
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pulsar747n on December 26, 2015
I also agree! only this time lets know the truth where all this registration thing comes from:
http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/258010-house-republican-calls-for-national-drone-registry
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MOcchionero on December 14, 2015
What is funny is that no one has given any definitive proof that these have been creating mischief with other commercial aircraft. You would think in the day where everyone has a camera on their device that this would have been substantiated with a picture.

Also you would have thought that one of these "mischief creators" would have made a posting on YouTube or Facebook, as often idiots do with their conquests.

The only ones who have created problems were White House staffers that try to fly when they were drunk!

It is a tax! No mistake it is a tax.

Bad guys never register. Good guys get taxed!

I am a good guy and I will register. But it I will tell you that the idiots out there will not. So I am being punished because of idiots.

I will register. But I will also take every opportunity to protest.
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MOcchionero on December 14, 2015
Please note that this is another tax!
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Txflyer on December 14, 2015
I flew RC models as a kid and now had a Private pilot license. Like most all pilots, we support all kinds of aviation from drones to RC to indoor. I totally get the issue with giving the government more information that can be used in nefarious ways. When i flew RC back in the day, I was an AMA member as was my Dad. we both had our AMA numbers on all aircraft so we could get them back if they got out of range or crashed (the old 27MHz radios were notorious for losing control due to range, multiple transmitters turned on or even CB radios close by, yes it was a long time ago). today's RC aircraft are more sophisticated reliable and have enough range to cause issues with other air traffic. Imagine hitting a little 2 pound device at 60, 70 or 80 MPH. those are approach speeds for General aviation aircraft and imagine flying an ultralight at 40 or 50 MPH with no windscreen (they require helmets usually) to keep that 2 pound device from hitting you in the face.the issue is irresponsible flyers who think its cool to fly close to airports. yes i am sure 99.9% of those on this site fly responsibly and unfortunately we all have to abide by some basic rules to protect flying. one comment above stated a city had banned drones. we don't need that and since the law says airspace is the province of the federal government above a certain altitude (100 or 200 ft.?), you probably want the feds to step in and not some local yocal with different rules in every town, city and county. at least with the feds the rules are the same anywhere in the country. we had a big problem in GA with local cops saying we couldn't fly over or around power plants or empty stadium when they didnt know the rules. you can as long as there is not a notice to airmen (NOTAM) and you are at a high enough altitude and again, the local yocal has no jurisdiction about 100 or 200 ft. Unfortunately it took the courts to tell the yocals to back off. drone pilots don't want to go there but with the fed rules you have a standard and regulation you can lean on.
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Matthewism on December 14, 2015
Airspace is governed by the FAA. Period. A metre off your lawn? That's the FAA's space.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
imagine that ultralight having to be subjected to the same rules we now are? Why would you be free of rules yet that 2 lb plane have enough to choke a horse?
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tictocdoc on December 14, 2015
In response to IR:

I absolutely did write letters when the AMA asked it's membership to. Didn't do much good though. What I think had failed to sink in with some of the other members of my RC club is the fact that this new "drone" law applies to helo's and fixed-wing. The discussion at the last meeting was that it didn't or that we would be "grandfathered" in. I realize that I as an individual and we as AMA members can't do much to influence the decision maker's directly. BUT, we can influence the companies that our hobby supports. Take that shiny, new, (fill in the blank) RC craft under the tree back to the store for a refund and tell the companies why. Nobody's even mentioned the thought that maybe some of the "major companies" that are pushing for "drone-delivery" here in the US might not want us "amateurs" interfering with or crashing into their (future) "commercial" drones.

And, when was the last time a law stopped some nut-job from doing something stupid?

Exactly!

....End-Of-Rant.......
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Nose Dive on December 14, 2015
I bet Amazon has already cut out 'their' flying zone.
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marvyn741 on December 14, 2015
Flight test challenge! Make a sleek, fast foamboard plane that has a cavity for helium.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
lol now HERE'S a great idea lol... Helium balloons on sale soon with tanks to keep them filled lol... my 40 lb p-47 just lost 39.46 lbs lol... now maybe I can still fly .. thank you for the comment made my evening...
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bigrocketnerd on December 15, 2015
A can't find a solid definition in the law about 'weight'. The FAA has interpreted it to mean the "all up" weight. I'm with you here 100%. The only problem is that it could fall in to the unmanned balloon rules.... either way it could be very cool to play around with. Like what the Epic blimp guy did.
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Lemoncopter on December 14, 2015
This is a sad state of affairs. I give them 6 months, if they dont repeal this then I am quitting the hobby. I think hobby shop sales will suffer as well.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
Of course they will in the end there is a faction at the faa that wants NO R/C flying and if we do not stop them now it will be too late...
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JayZap on December 14, 2015
Thank you Flite Test Team. If not for you good folks, when would I have found out about this. I knew this was coming but I have heard anything in the media about the end results. I fly on my own property but not as often as I would like. Thanks again.
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Battershell on December 14, 2015
Wow I found what is currently the bottom of the thread. Not for long I'm sure! But here is my two cents.....I recently paid my AMA membership. I am currently studying for my HAMM license to be legal for Fpv. And now, I have to register and possibly pay more money for owning this equipment if I want to now fly it. Why couldn't the government just let me give them my already registered AMA number and have them share their database with the government to save time and energy?
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Mostly Harmless on December 14, 2015
Why does the government even need a registry of flyers? If they really want to be able to track improperly-flown models back to their users, just require flyers to put their name and address in the plane.

Of course, anyone intent on flying like an idiot won't do that, either...
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Thinker2 on December 14, 2015
With respect guys, you are practicing law without a clue.

REGISTRATION is the oldest Government Fraud in the book.

Before you register you are outside of Civil Law (Legal Fiction) Jurisdiction. When you REGISTER you have signed and paid for a CONTRACT with the Government. Once you have contracted with the Government you are Legally obligated to comply with the contract you just entered into. If you NEVER made a CONTRACT with the Government, the Government has no Authority to tell you what you can and can not do!

SO, if you want the Government in you shorts, go ahead and make a CONTRACT with the Government.

(By the way, this is exactly how Drivers Licenses work too.)

peace


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Neskair on December 14, 2015
wow. I cant believe this is actually happening.
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m100s2 on December 14, 2015
The land of the free? yeah that sounds right.
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OttawaGuy on December 14, 2015
So for those of us north of the border...we need to register if we're going to fly at any event in the USA... I'm sure that MAAC (Model Aeronautics Association of Canada) and Transport Canada will be doing something similar up here very soon. As most laws, this one seems to be a knee-jerk reaction to idiots who aren unsafe and will continue to be...and who of course won't register any of their aircraft. Sad.
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hobo3 on December 14, 2015
Step 1: Require Registration
Step 2: Charge yearly license fees (tax) while preparing for step 3
Step 3: Ban - use step 1 as the address book to send agents

That's the formula!
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egofsb on December 14, 2015
Exactly right!
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etegration on December 14, 2015
With the below, i guess tourist are ok since tourist inbound and outbound to/from USA won't be able to register.

"Only individual recreational or hobby users who meet U.S. citizenship requirements are able to register their unmanned aircraft using this new streamlined web-based process."
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OttawaGuy on December 14, 2015
Seems to indicate that those of us north of the border will need to follow some longer, non "streamlined" process in order to register... Guess I won't be flying at any ALES contests in the US anymore.
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egofsb on December 14, 2015
Registration fee is $5 don't expect it to stay that much they always start fees low to get people to be okay with it watch it grow in short time. This is how they try to get people to stop doing something they don't want you to do when the fee gets into the hundreds people will just give up the hobby, this is the same thing they are attempting to do with guns. This is nothing more than another grab of yet more of citizens freedom money. Lets be honest here no one has died or been seriously injured from UAV's (that are not government owned that is) contact your elected representatives and demand that they stop this infringement.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
Here Here. Imagine... what power we would have if say everyone here took the time to sign a petition and forward to the senate and congress... Just imagine... egofsb is correct this has political motivations all over it...
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Ron DuBray on December 14, 2015
How can the FAA make a Law? making a law needs an act of congress and the President needs to sign it.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
excellent question all they are SUPPOSED to be able to do is make a rule they want followed NOT a LAW that has to be.... Congress made a special session last year to exempt us and deal with this does not anyone remember? the FAA just perverted the ruling and ignored them.
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pulsar747n on December 26, 2015
Actually, it was not the FAA. It was a Republican Congressman: http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/258010-house-republican-calls-for-national-drone-registry
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Rexhaw on December 14, 2015
Does this mean LASER pointers are still ok to use?
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Thinker2 on December 14, 2015
The word "Government" = "Govern-(mind, thought, thinking, belief)", because "-ment" is the root of "mentis"; Latin for (mind, thought, thinking, belief). So, Government = mind-control.

The government (FAA) deceives people or bullies people into doing what the government wants, not what the people want. What the government wants is power and control, and like the Second Amendment, the government wants your Guns and Drones!

When people REGISTER, they CONTRACT with the Government, and since you did not write the CONTRACT, it gives the Government what it wants, and deprives you and me of what we want.

FREEDOM, restrained by Personal Responsibility, NOT Government Regulations and FINES and PRISON.

peace
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Thinker2 on December 14, 2015
Only people who enter into CONTRACT are subject to the CONTRACT. All Government "Laws" are CONTRACTS called CODE, ACTS, STATUTES. They are NOT Law, they are all CONTRACTS. You and I become subject to the CONTRACT when we CONSENT. The Government is very tricky in how they get people to enter into CONTRACT.

"Do you understand me?" is a very common method for getting people into CONTRACT. The Miranda Warning is a Virile CONTRACT, and Cops get people into it by asking if you "understand". When you agree to the contract, you EXIT Common Law and ENTER Admiralty or Civil Law. In Common Law the People have the power, in Civil Law the "Authorities" have the power.

peace
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Rexhaw on December 14, 2015
Don't forget that really big kites are considered "drones" since they are remotely controlled by a string. Really big homing pigeons may have to be registered as well based on the fact that they are remotely controlled by human super powers.
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xtrmtrk on December 14, 2015
Not a joke. On a beach in Florida in April I was swarmed by beach patrol and police on four-wheelers, pickup trucks and a boat. My crime? The FAA had called them and told them somebody was flying kites too high. That was me. I had two kites up, just above a local 8 story apartment - maybe 200 feet high. I had no idea it was a crime. I asked the police if they knew, and they said they were as surprised as I was.

I suspect one of the small planes cruising up and down the coast BELOW their 400' minimum called it in.
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tfryman on December 14, 2015
So let me get this straight: the gubermint has 3 years to create an Obamacare site to register for and purchase insurance. We all saw how that went. And now we expect to have a registration site/system ready in a week that will be flawless and "refund" our registration fee during the biggest rush it is ever expected to encounter? roughts o ruck wid dat!
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AudioKev on December 14, 2015
This might be a solution that demonstrates a way to fly that does not require registration because the total weight does not exceed 250gr.

Great Planes Extra 330SC 3mm Foam 3D EP ARF 32.5" <175gr>
Great Planes Rimfire 250 Outrunner Brushless Motor <20gr>
Great Planes ElectriFly LiPo 2S 7.4V 250mAh 20C <15gr>
Great Planes Silver Series 8A Brushless ESC 5V/1A BEC <11gr>
Three Futaba S3114 Micro High-Torque Servos <3 x 7.8gr = 23.4gr>

Total: 244.4gr.

This leaves 5.6gr for the APC 8x3.8 Slow Flyer Propeller.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
nice!
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AudioKev on December 15, 2015
Forgot a receiver: FrSky V8R4-II - 4 Channel Receiver <2.7gr without cover>

I am sure that there are alternatives to the items above that will allow one to build a plane that comes in below the 250gr limit.
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Bilbobaker on December 14, 2015
I think this is a horrible overreaching, invasive move by the government to tax yet another hobby.

We need an NRA like body to regulate/lobby for our rights to play with our toys unfettered.
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pulsar747n on December 26, 2015
What we also need is for our elected officials not to micromanage our country: http://thehill.com/policy/transportation/258010-house-republican-calls-for-national-drone-registry
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twl101 on December 14, 2015
This is a joke and another tax, plain and simple. If they really just want you to put some kind of identifying info. on your so called "DRONE", it could be made real simple for everyone. Put your personal info. on it and call it good. That is what I had to do with my arrows when I was a bow hunter. A number issued by them is no different. It is an identifier, "plain and simple". Your personal info. is even more accurate and heck of a lot easier to verify. A number issued by them can be falsified/changed if I wish to use a "DRONE" for criminal or just plain stupid reasons. Who is going to be checking everyone with a model? And if your local PD where to be checking on you for some reason, like a complaint from a paranoid or jerk neighbor, it would be much easier to show your ID, or get your parents, if your a minor, to verify it, than to take your word that the FAA number was yours. Local PD will have no way to verify the FAA number on site and will not waist their time, unless you have done something criminally wrong. And even if you did something criminally wrong, they wouldn't care about an FAA number because it isn't their job, it's the FAA's. If it is a civil matter they will tell you that and leave.

I would like to thank the "Very Informed and Truthful Media" for blowing things out of proportion and scaring the miss-informed, sometimes really stupid public, about these so called dangerous weapons/surveillance aircraft, "DRONES" as they like to call them, instead of RC Models, which they have been called for so long, that the 99.999% of us are using for honest and safe recreation.
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jimmyp39 on December 14, 2015
I'm from Canada and come down to Flite Fest. I just went through the entire document and we will be required to go through the same process. The difference is "The agency will consider the certificate that is issued to be a recognition of ownership rather than a certificate of U.S. aircraft registration."

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sh0ck1999 on December 14, 2015
If nobody registers the faa has no power. So they ask me for my registration and I play dumb and say oh I just built it this weekend how can they prove me wrong. They can't. And who is they your local Leo's don't give a crap. Yeah its free now but what happens in three years when they jack the rates to 100 bucks. And now they have you on paper as a registered pilot . It happens with everything as soon as the government gets involved it all goes to shit
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John F Hendry on December 14, 2015
It doesn't work that way... it's now a crime not to register your RC aircraft and the police can take your property and arrest you if you don't register it. They can even take your car you have it in, or even take your house because both are involved with the crime. Before you say they can't look at Civil Forfeiture law and the billions of dollars being made each year by corrupt police and judges in on the crime. You use an assumed name but THEY know who you are, where you live, and what you do. It's time WE made them obey the law instead of being above it. But you are right on one issue and they will try to make money off this as that's what people in power do... but compared to what they already do it's nothing in comparison.
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John F Hendry on December 14, 2015
Well when you look at how many people are getting into the RC hobby and the mechanical ignorance of the US population as whole if it protects my right to fly RC aircraft as I have for the last 40 years without incidence I'm OK with this as it is presented. But give someone in control an inch and they will take a mile so what comes next? What I am most concerned with and NOT OK with is good honest but weak minded people who look and let their emotions control what they see and do nothing as corrupt police, attorneys, and judges throughout America work together to break the law because they think it won't happen to them if they look away. On June 9, 2009 the WA Klickitat Sheriffs assisted in a deception used to commit felony theft to stop a 9 year lawsuit 21 days away from obviously being won by stealing the case evidence and legal papers needed in support of a felony criminal conspiracy involving wealthy individuals and their attorneys using the legal system to steal real estate. And they did it without hiding their overt act because they expected me to object emotionally not jump in my truck and drive to a safe location and report the crime without being shot "as a threat" . They made the case 100 times bigger but MANY people who know it happened not only did nothing about it... some gladly joined in to make money off it just like in Germany Pre WW2. Maybe its time to wake up... what is more important? People in authority like the police obeying the law... or We the People obeying the law? The Law is the only thing that creates the template that creates Order in any Society. And right now money is causing a lawless free-for-all at the top controlling all land and currency where Civil Forfeiture laws are being used by criminals disguised as police and judges to pull over and rob honest hard working Americans. The long arm of the law that reached from Hawaii to WA and OR in my case is VERY busted and broken and we ALL need to put it in an iron cast and FIX it and stop looking away saying History powered by Human emotion is not repeating itself. I deleted my comment because I forgot to say it is repeating itself, and it's repeating itself because people are letting it happen because they refuse to accept what their eyes are showing them is happening. e{a}/t=E
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Diverwa on December 14, 2015
I don't want to see anyone hurt by our hobbies, but wouldn't the money being spent on this be better used fixing our country's infrastructure. Also I would never give the personal information of my child (a minor) to this organization so he can fly a model airplane, too much risk.
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John F Hendry on December 15, 2015
I just copied this off the FAA's web site 12/14/15 9:01 PM PST: "Registration is not required for model aircraft operated solely for hobby or recreational purposes. Guidelines for responsible hobby and recreational operations are available at http://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/. "

So why am I reading the opposite here?
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Diverwa on December 15, 2015
I will take the risk of him flying and crashing his plane in our back field without registration and live on our terms that is life, that is living, that is priceless.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
Folks I have to tell you I do not like this. I also do not like seeing so many of us fliers just laying down and accepting this as some kind of a good thing. It is not. Guys you can go make an ultralight airplane right now and fly it with no government sticking their noses into it. We must continue to fight this ...... it is wrong. What has happened to our society that we just lay down and let government tell us what we can and cannot do. WE are the bosses of them not the other way around and they need to be reminded of that fact. As for me I will not fly with this over my head. Congress made a special case a year ago mandating that the faa leave us alone. Have we forgotten this? The faa decided to ignore and pervert that message to them from congress. What we need to do is get back with those same congressmen and senators and raise hell about this. Please excuse my language there is no other word that fits. Tell them how this is wrong. Remind them that in all the time of flying there has never been an issue. That is until people forced us to accept quads and fpv as part of the AMA. Now look where that has led us. Guys I love quads, I do. I even see benefits of fpv but look what you just did to our hobby. The AMA should never have allowed FPV to become a part of the AMA and now I know I will hear from lots of you complaining about my comment here but it is my hope it stands. Myself and many others have been saying from the start that if the AMA allows fpv to become a part of our program that this would happen. Now just watch what happens when some idiot really does fly one into a building with explosives attached. The fpv and quad fliers need to make their own organization. It was true then and doubly true now. It has hurt us all. Very much so. Government has no business sticking their noses into model airplane flying. It has never been needed nor wanted. The faa needs to back off and go back to things that actually are important. The fpv crowd ( down the road that means me as well and I would support it) needs to recognize that this is on them as well. Then they need to separate and get their own lobbyist and organization so that the AMA will stop wasting our funds on this fpv battle. It was not right nor fair for them to do so especially after they were told by the majority not to do so.
I know I am rambling.
I am mad.
I now have to find some other recreation because I will not allow government to dictate to me these things. Not for 5 dollars and not for free it is wrong at any price and guys the price is much higher than anyone knows at this time.
This is just the start by time its over we will be so taxed, monitored and invaded that it will not be worth flying. Sorry but this is my two cents worth. I hope someone listens.
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mike dollar on December 15, 2015
It's not a bad idea to register rc air craft .maybe it will keep some people from fling where there not allowed to.
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dmoody101321@live.com on December 15, 2015
Mike, those guys n gals that fly where they know they are not supposed to...? THey won't be filing they are criminals. They couldn't care one bit about this or your rights. by the way the FAA...? They don't care about your rights either and its a terrible idea to register with the government on anything. Life is none of their business.
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stay-fun on December 15, 2015
This sounds more like pilot registration. You have a number as a pilot, and put that number on all aircraft you have. It's the first step towards some rules, and I actually agree with it. You have to start somewhere. I would even be in favor of a "drivers license" for model pilots, even if it's just a written exam, just to make sure people are aware of rules before they start out doing stupid stuff.

If you're reading this, that means you care and are already aware of the dangers of flight. Should be a piece of cake for us to get a license.
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stay-fun on December 15, 2015
"Q. I am a citizen of a foreign country who lives in the United States. How do I know if I can register a drone with the FAA?
A. Federal law allows an individual citizen of another country who has been lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States under the regulations of the Department of Homeland Security to register an aircraft, including a drone, with the FAA."

So here's the thing. I live here, but technically I'm a "non-resident alien". Which makes me not a resident.

Why is this so complicated?
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pressalltheknobs on December 15, 2015
According to the FAQ, there is a paper process you need to use. In time you will be able to use the web site. Not really that complicated. Except the paper process, like the web site, does not seem to be available yet, or at least it is not obvious.
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stay-fun on December 15, 2015
That might be the case, but I'm not a "permanent resident", so I don't know if all this stuff applies to me.
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1959cutter on December 15, 2015
it's the mark of the beast!
Josh,you were right!

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kwydjbo on December 15, 2015
when i get into compliance and put somebody else's registration number on my models, it's going to be on top of my "Fuck the FAA" paintjob.
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kwydjbo on December 15, 2015
Security theatre continues unabated. =(
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artbykenb on December 15, 2015
For cryin' out loud, quit whining and just pay the stupid five dollar registration fee. We "register" our cars, boats, trailers and civilian aircraft. In every state we pay for a drivers license, fishing license and some of us pay a hunting license. Every one of the above is ANNUAL as in EVERY YEAR. This $5 tri-annual registration fee is cheaper than the annual dues for the two model clubs that I belong to. One is $60, the other is $90. Five dollars every three years? GET A GRIP, PEOPLE!

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dwightr on December 15, 2015
Car, boat, trailer, etc. registration fees are state-level regulations, not Federal. Swallowing yet another Federal Government over-reach is a bad idea; unless you want to tell the Federal Government that you are happy to be one of their good little sheep who will do as instructed whether they have the proper authority to mandate it or not.
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Mostly Harmless on December 15, 2015
In addition to being state-level requirements, cars, boats, trailers, and aircraft are operated public spaces. I can get a car (or ATV, dirt bike, etc.) and ride without a license in my back yard. Furthermore, I can get an ultralight aircraft which requires NO license and registration as long as I meet certain weight and fuel requirements).

Hunting and fishing licenses (also a state-level item) are required because you are culling from a limited resource (which the state must manage) and to ensure that requirements for bag limits, minimum weights, sex, etc. are met.

It's not the $5, it's having to ask permission to conduct a hobby in my own back yard or at a club flying field. Most golf balls go higher and further than our aircraft. Or the annual Pumpkin Chunkin' event where 10-20 pound pumpkins are hurled as far as a mile and reach altitudes of over a thousand feet.

Not to mention many of the other potential downsides that have been discussed above -- while not contributing one iota to eliminating the problem of nimrods who buy an off-the-shelf quad and fly near airports.
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GregGran on December 16, 2015
I'd suggest that you wake-up and recognize that it's not about the money, it's about forcing you to be marked as a member of a collective which the gov't clearly has an agenda against. You are being tagged. This is obviously not about safety or privacy. The gov't has been using the state controlled media to demonize "drones" (which we now learn is almost all RC aircraft) for several years. They are doing it for a simple reason - it is a powerful technology and they want exclusive access to it. They want the upper hand. Your freedom, rights, and privacy are not their concern.

All it will take is one (real or fabricated) terrorist incident in which an RC aircraft is involved, and every registered drone owner/operator will be in the bulls-eye. It will happen - mark my words.
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Szilard on December 15, 2015
What if someone comes in US from Europe (for Flitetest festival or Joe Nall ecc.) and brings his "toys", since he/she is not a US citizen, how can he/she fly then? Can not register!!!
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m100s2 on December 15, 2015
There will no doubt be additional questions at immigration and customs. Declare and you get your toys confiscated, don't declare and you get your toys confiscated and then you are deported.
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Szilard on December 15, 2015
Really nice choices to choose from :-(
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ModellflugBub on December 15, 2015
In Germany, your assurance cover you all over Europe (up to a flying weight of 750g), so don't have to worry when you bring your small rc model or "toy" on vacation or to festival in foreign countries in the EU.
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Del-Dredd on December 15, 2015
As others have said, typical kneejerk reaction from those with no idea.
All it does is penalize those who fly responsibly and know the rules.

Any muppet that flies stupidly deserves all they get and will not bother registering in any case.

Hope we do not get the same uninformed draconian measures over in UK.

What we need is better education for new flyers not ineffectual nanny state rules dreamed up by some people with no experience and who cannot bother consulting with those that do..
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mccoy on December 15, 2015
Wow this is like back to the future. I know the comparison in the US with gun registry is touchy but if you forget for a minute I am comparing to guns and just think bad legislation it would help make my point. When they brought the long gun registry to Canada they said it would be free for the first few months to get everyone on side, they said it would help to find stolen guns, they said the money would be put to gun education, they said it would make things better and cost nothing because it would be self funding... the end was that nothing changed except it cost all tax payers in Canada millions and millions of dollars in tax over runs and it never funded itself and never solved crimes. It was finally abandoned in a shambles. It is so unusual for us to see the USA making a Canadian error it is usually the other way around. Good Luck
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dwightr on December 15, 2015
According to AMA's website, FAA is in violation of the law with this regulation. Write your Senators and your Representative about this like I did this morning.

http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2015/12/14/ama-reacts-to-dot-uas-registration-rule/

“The Special Rule for Model Aircraft in the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 clearly states that the FAA is prohibited from promulgating any new rules for recreational users operating within the safety guidelines of a community-based organization (CBO). Meanwhile, the FAA’s contention that model aircraft should be considered aircraft is currently the subject of pending litigation. Congress by no means intended to grant a free pass to flyers within this system. Instead, it left risk mitigation and the development of appropriate safety guidelines to organizations like AMA."
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Lenny on December 15, 2015
Does anyone know if Canada will be or has already followed suit with similar registration requirements?
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Lenny on December 15, 2015
I see some comments above regarding Canada now, good to know it hasn't happened here yet but I expect something will be done soon.

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jimmyp39 on December 15, 2015
Canada only requires a flight permit for business purposes. See link to a flow chart for requirements.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/media/documents/ca-standards/Info_graphic_-_Flying_an_umanned_aircraft_-_Find_out_if_you_need_permission_from_TC.pdf
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travelerdawg on December 15, 2015
This law is doing nothing but giving the government power to prosecute the law abiding citizen. This law was passed because the AMA doesn't have the same power as the NRA to lobby in Washington. The FAA is treating "drones" (still hate that word) as deadly as an idiot with a pistol in a public arena. Yes, I sometimes wear a tin-foil hat!
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jimmyp39 on December 15, 2015
I am from Canada and often vacation in the US and come down to Flite Fest. So even though I'm from the great white north this does effect me. I will need to pay my $5 just like all those down south if I wish to fly while on vacation. I will do it, but I think it is stupid. This will not make anything safer for anyone. The stupid will still do the stupid and those who think before acting will still be safe operators. As well, who will enforce this. The police are already too busy at the coffee shops to bother running over to check my foamy for a number. I do understand the problem they are tying to get a handle on. People are just being stupid. Flying in busy areas over people and streets and its just a matter of time before someone is killed by a 6 pound falling DJI Inspire landing on their head from a few hundred feet. I fly an Inspire and other multi rotors and think about this and don't fly anywhere near people so to avoid the risk.
I have gone through the process of becoming approved by Transport Canada (equivalent to FAA) for UAS flight for business purposes and talking to the transport Canada inspector who stated that for me getting a special flight permit is not making it safer out there because there are still hundreds out there in the air they don't know about. They are only putting extra hurtles for those who are already doing things correctly and know the rules and abide by them.
I think there is a big difference between model aircraft hobbyists and those that go down to Best Buy or get a drone for Christmas. Most people are just using the drones as a long selfie stick and have no idea of the proper use of this equipment.
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bigrocketnerd on December 15, 2015
Taken from the FAA's website, "The total of government and registrant resource cost for small unmanned aircraft registration and marking under this new system is $56 million ($46 million present value at 7 percent) through 2020." The FAA's argument for creating the online registration is, "the FAA estimates the cost to the government and non-modelers would be about $383 million." This is the estimated cost to tax payers for the old paper based registration system. This is our governments explanation for taxing us....they are saving us money by spending more money. As an example, "The estimate for 2015 sales indicates that 1.6 million small unmanned aircraft intended to be used as model aircraft are expected to be sold this year" 1.6 million dollars into 46 million is $28.75 per unmanned aircraft. There are a few assumptions taken here, rebate for 2015 taken in full, one person per "unmanned aircraft" and that all of the aircraft sold weigh more than .55lbs. So far the numbers are fishy in my book. To me, it looks like the FAA is setting budgetary costs to earmark taxpayer money for themselves. It will be interesting to see how the money stacks up against what the final numbers are for pilot registration including fines. The Freedom of Information Act may come in handy here...
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bigrocketnerd on December 15, 2015
Oh, one more thing... what happens if you want to fly your friends UAV? Do we have to take their number off and stick on our own?
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bigrocketnerd on December 15, 2015
I just found it on the FAA website, if you are flying a friends aircraft you must have access to their registration certificate, either in paper or electronic form.
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pressalltheknobs on December 15, 2015
No, they just have to have a paper or electronic copy of your registration certificate in their possession to fly it.
From http://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/

Q. If I let someone borrow my drone do I have to give them the Certificate of Registration?

A. Yes, anyone who operates your drone must have the Certificate of Aircraft Registration in their possession. You can give them a paper copy, email it to them, or they can show it electronically from the registration website.
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Mark Lawry on December 15, 2015
I think the answer is No. The registration is for the UAS owner. I you let someone fly your drone and they injure someone. YOUR name is on it.
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kingbee on December 15, 2015
plz look at the link i stand by that plus does this apply in all the world or only usa....
http://www.faa.gov/uas/publications/model_aircraft_operators/assets/media/model-aircraft-infographic.pdf
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bigrocketnerd on December 15, 2015
Please elaborate on your question.
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MarkPrima on December 15, 2015
So will Police officers be patrolling airfields and other flying areas and ask for your registration? I think this is a joke, I wonder when something like this will be coming to Canada
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Ron DuBray on December 15, 2015
If you want to fight this join the AMA, they are taking it to court and more members and letters to the government will help get the FAA back under the people control and not the other way around.

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polodu64 on December 15, 2015
That is really interesting ! I guess other countries (like France, for me) will follow the same path, if it works well... Only I'm pretty hopeless : I think it will be pretty chaotic... We'll see as time goes :-)
Thanks Austin for the article !
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Coal.roller on December 15, 2015
As of jan 19th I will no longer fly, buy or help in development of this hobby. I will fight to get this gross over reach stopped. Simply put, I won't comply. I won't be forced into registering for the benefit of the government to make money off of my mined. If you think this data base won't be abused, think again. If someone was to get my # and use it in a malicious way. I will then be guilty until proven innocent. This can not stand. Like i read above something that sums up this law, I will not register like a sex offender. Dark days ahead ppl. I wish I had an answer for this, sadly I do not. All the best. Going Galt.
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GregGran on December 16, 2015
Going Galt isn't a very practical option in this case. Your actions will never be noticed and it will only hurt you. If you have a passion for something in your life, don't let thugs take it from you. Either fight or ignore - but don't cower down and comply. That's what they are counting on. It's the response that further empowers them. Figuratively, you need to just say what John Galt would say - "get the hell out of my way!"
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jontoddler9 on December 15, 2015
I do not know if anyone has brought this up. What happens after you register your dones and possibly re-sell them. You surely hope that the new owner registers with their own personal information. Just a thought. If they don't and something goes bad, are you on the hook for it?
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Mark Lawry on December 15, 2015
A: No. The registration is for YOU. not your UAS. If you sell it, take your number off.
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Drkovach1 on December 15, 2015
I will comply. However , I will no longer pay fees to the AMA. I wonder how the AMA feels about losing their members to the government. As is typical in the U.S. we punish everybody for the actions of the irresponsible few. We let corporations run amuck, and threaten the common folks. Our charge is simple. We must comply.".....................................and so shall I.

As the "Dude" says, "give 'em the money man, we're into this cheap." (as he and his friends are being robbed)
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Mark Lawry on December 15, 2015
As I read the headline and realized that even fixed wing planes required registration, I was upset like everyone. But after reading the 211 page document, I started to calm down. It seems very rationally written (unlike many of the knee-jerk reactions here).

Look at it this way. If any over-zealous member of the public or any official questions my right to fly my plane, I now have the full justification of the FAA. The FAA! As soon as I register, I will have a Certificate from the FAA that says I am a registered RC pilot! The general public does not know who the AMA is. (American Music Association? American Motorcycle Association?) But the FAA! they all know that. Some of you can go ahead and complain, but I am going to register as soon as I can to get my RC pilots license from the FAA for free.

Happy flying!
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Todd on December 15, 2015
I just have two names for those of you thinking that the FAA or local law enforcement are benign entities:

R.A. "Bob" Hoover

Robin Fleming

That said I will, like all law abiding sheep, register because I am under threat of the full weight and impact of the US Government but the reality is that operating anything on my property should never be subject to any governmental regulation when it comes to registration. There are already many public endangerment laws on the books. This is simply a power grab that ignores basic airspace rules and uses the canard of the few who violate the law to penalize the majority.

In a free nation, an individual suffers the penalty for their behavior and the group is free to go about its business unmolested...

We have come a long way from 1776...

Just saying... ...it's a stupid rule that will NOT prevent abusive and inconsiderate people from engaging in bad behavior. So I want to fly over the Super Bowl or bust a TFR with a quad? I buy a mobius, build my own registered quad and do it. If it falls out of the sky I walk away and take the $150.00 loss without penalty. If I get it back I get it back. Criminals and societally reckless people do not obey laws. So in the end this is a stupid, feckless and infringing law that will end up hurting the RC industry and penalizing people who have done nothing wrong short of flying in their yards.

You think once local law enforcement figures out what it can make in penalty sharing it won't be "ramp checking" every father and son playing with a foamy in their front yard? You are woefully naive about how things actually work...

Enthusiasts will know about the law and register, newbies will not be clear on it or will see registration and as a barrier to entry and just say screw it, they already have too much on me, no more and walk away. It's happened in the GA industry in this nation. The price of entry is just too high now so only a certain niche of fanatics even try to fly their own airplanes. In contrast to when I was a kid where every town had a small FBO and a flight instructor and you could learn to fly.

Just watch, it's just the beginning. FT, you bettered lawyer up about liability on your videos as well because you could be construed to be promoting illegal behavior without full disclosure unless you carefully craft a message in every video... ...just saying...
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ModellflugBub on December 15, 2015
Do we need to this for all users around the world or is it only for the US ?
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ModellflugBub on December 15, 2015
To do this
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tictocdoc on December 15, 2015
I think would all just stop paying our membership dues to the AMA. We can all force change with our pocketbooks. Maybe we could find a clever insurance agent that would help us (collectively) find another vehicle for insurance coverage. Maybe something like an SR-22 or some other form of personal liability insurance that we could afford. HINT TO ANY INSURANCE AGENTS LISTENING. If that happens then why would we still need to be AMA members? Maybe we need to form a "Rogue Drone Nation" or some other RC association. What have they done to help protect its membership and promote the hobby. Why haven't we seen the AMA on the national news defending our position on a nightly basis?

As far as the question whether LEO's will be enforcing the new law; LEO's enforce the city/county laws. They have no jurisdiction to enforce state & federal laws unless I'm seriously mistaken. (not an attorney so it's possible). So I guess we'll be seeing FFA / DOT "Nazi's" patrolling the flying fields? More than likely the AMA will put the burden of enforcement on the local RC clubs. "You can't join the AMA or fly at our fields' unless you are registered"............
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1959cutter on December 16, 2015
i live in pinal county, arizona,(with a small "a")where we have a genital wart for a sheriff that is running for congress and loves publicity on fox news.
do you think he will leave us alone when there is a story and fear to help get votes?
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Slamazon on December 16, 2015
I have done just that, not renewing my membership with the AMA. This is getting out of hand because we just roll over and take it. Not registering, not flying anymore, not renewing my membership to AMA. The government will not stop until it regulates everything out of existence. This is just the beginning of the monster that is government overreach. Lets see if they can regulate underwater basket weaving, my new hobby.
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cluc on December 16, 2015
PROtip: Put your registration number on your batteries.
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2bflown on December 16, 2015
What if you have a scale foam plane like the 90 mm Eurofighter. Where do I put the number if I still want that scale look
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Slamazon on December 16, 2015
I will not register my aircraft and i'm done flying, very sick and tired of stupid people causing problems for responsible people.
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Slamazon on December 16, 2015
Wait until someone gets your registration number, puts it on their quad copter, then crashes it on the white house lawn. Headache I don't need.
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jdfilkins on December 16, 2015
Wow, the execution of this requirement has gone off beautifully. Turns out to be just a Federal requirement to do what most of us who fly do anyway. Name and phone number and AMA number, but now it's a DOT number... And $5 bucks of course. Look how beautifully and expertly how they did it: A near perfect case study for propaganda 101.

Misinformation was everywhere, A series of 'Near misses' reported by pilots that in quiet moments without microphone admit that cant tell the difference between a bird and a baseball or a kids balloon and those speeds with the activity going one around them. Rumors about all planes registered, toy drones no exception, $5 a piece for each, no provision of home builds, visions of lining up at a Motor Vehicle-like government office (Number 57, serving number 57...).

The reality? Not so bad. A one time free website to get your information, then a tag that covers all the planes you have and may buy! Whew thought it was going to be bad! What was all the fuss?

In the end, it's another fleece program and revenue stream for government. A tax on all you fly Cheap at first, free even, but after three years you have to pay again. By then, if it's still $5 I'll be shocked.

This was a whole lot of fussing and jawing and AMA staff time, pilot stress and talk and worry just because the government saw an opportunity to impose a new tax on us. Has to be that, because anyone actually believing it will have an effect on the real problem we face with drones, an individual or group using one bought or home build for deliberate misuse, must have serious reality issues.

However, and of course, every deliberate misuse, or equipment fail, or pilot error that resuts in a drone in a neighors tree, or yard, or worse will me a collective 'Our fault' in media and repose. Government being 'forced' to respond by public pressure (media) will implement pilot training requirements, add individual certifications, and individual model traking. To pay for it, the cost and frequency of renewal payment will nessesarily increase. Why should this be any different than any other government involvement in normal our everyday life?
/PESIMISTIC RANT
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haygood on December 16, 2015
And just like that, every RC aircraft flier because a staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment once they realized how easily laws were passed without them having any say in it whatsoever. Silver lining? Cancel your AMA registration and get an NRA card.
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jzrf6c2003 on December 16, 2015
OK people during WWII the government picked upon a class of people that would not defend themselves. Later we understood the reason. If you don't want that to happen here then let's start a class action suite against the FAA. After all they are violating the government action that the Senate or congress (I don't remember which) passed saying the FAA cold not regulate model airplane hobbyists that fly in an approved club, etc.
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r2wjax on December 16, 2015
I have got to chuckle... just how many comments have been removed?

I too am livid over this... it's a constitutional infringement in that the FAA is making laws, restricting already accepted use of FPV technologies for example, and forcing "registration". And just how is this educational? It is already been proven this can and is safely applied and self-monitored within the community, without the need of Federal oversight. There will always be exceptions, but requirements and restrictions placed on the majority is clearly an infringement of our constitutional rights, as is making laws by regulation, without the approval of the Congress of the United States. Further, it seems to me, the AMA's only interest has been in furthering it's own agenda, and not very effective at truly representing it's membership. With that being said, what can be done. Are there any representatives of the people, for the people, out truly representing the people? If you know of any, please, share that information with all of us! I'm sure too that there will be a significant impact on the marketing, sales and suppliers of the hobby. It is almost impossible to find a true "hobby shop" in my town... there is actually only one. And that is about 30 miles from me... I don't see Radio Shack around much any more, and the last time i was in one, it seems they mostly sell only phones and batteries... I was surprised however to see Arduino products on the shelf... but alas, they weren't selling any... sad, so very sad... Try buying replacement parts, or accessories (i.e. batteries) at one of the retailers who do care "quads"! Well, as the song goes... "All Things Must Pass". Hopefully this too will...
btw - please, if I've said anything of offend anyone, or if it is determined this post or comment needs to be removed, let me know!
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schuttkerk@yahoo.com on December 21, 2015
Just for the record. No funny business in my comment being removed. I accidentally submitted my comment in mid-sentence. On an iPad, it is easy to inadvertently hit the "Submit Comment" button while editing one's comments. Other than the one from meatay directly above, most "Comment Removed" notes are followed by the same contributor. It is highly unlikely that someone wrote an article, it was read, evaluated and removed by the administrator, and then the original contributor wrote another comment immediately after the comment was removed before anyone else made a comment. Don't cry wolf. It makes us as a group, not credible.
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Flightmaster on December 16, 2015
It is easy to see from just breezing threw the comments on this page that most of us don't approve of this new regulation (myself included). It's not to late however to make our voices heard! If we all stand up and tell the FAA that this is not a solution we are willing to accept, they will HAVE to make changes or get rid of the registration plan. If EVERY single model aircraft hobbyist made their voice heard, this article would be irrelevant. Commenting is still open on the Regulations.gov pertaining to this rule (and so far only 7 have submitted one!) To comment on this issue, go to regulations.gov and search: FAA-2015-7396 and make your voice heard! We can also sign the petition on change.org (https://www.change.org/p/federal-aviation-adminitration-stop-the-faa-act-requiring-drone-model-aircraft-pilot-registration).
To those of you who want say that this is pointless and that the FAA will not listen to us, Let me remind you that this is the United States of America, a country run by the PEOPLE, not run by the FAA. Lets direct our voice to the government not only to each other. I will be doing my part to make my voice heard, I encourage ALL model aircraft hobbyist to do the same!

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docmorty1 on December 17, 2015
my letter: please don't in-act this rule. it will only harm those who are trying to educate and teach our youth to engineering, science, physics, imagination of growth .

I fly with the fogg busters , I am AMA registered, a past student pilot , education is the key, teaching responsible and safety in flight is what is needed.

many advances in aviation come from the imagination of us modelers of AUS's

I appose docket number FAA-2015-7396

to www.gov and search: FAA-2015-7396
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jordy123 on December 17, 2015
The paper looking plane in the background is something I want to see.
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TEG on December 17, 2015
Registered just to comment here. Not sure if it was mentioned but how will this be controlled? What would prevent some knucklehead from going to an RC show and pulling numbers from a number of other UAV's and applying a random number to his or her UAV. I mean are they going to send you stickers, plates or something or are you responsible for using a sharpie or whatever to mark your aircraft. If it has to be visible it will easily be duplicated by some idiot who will do something dumb and the next thing you know you have a knock on the door from the FAA police and now your fighting to prove your innocence. This will be a complete mess I think and innocent law biding people will be brought into some mess they had nothing to do with because a number was duplicated. Would be like me taking a license plate from another vehicle except the vehicle has some checks like associating the vin to a plate number....where is the cross reference for our Aircrafts when most build them because it's not a self build aircraft has an assembly serial number and considering this number is duplicated across as many hobby aircrafts as you own...ya, draw your own conclusions for the anticipated mess this will cause the first time this happens to an innocent person whos number was duplicated on an aircraft used for malicious intent. I agree in concept but not in implementation.
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TEG on December 17, 2015
I just read through a lot of the new ruling. It won't be so bad. It appears that it may acceptable to mark the batteries with the registration number or mark the aircraft in a location accessible as long as where it is marked can be accessed without the use of tools. This will help with my concern of some shmuck taking my registration number.

This has probably already been posted but I'm doing so again. Page 32 pinpoints the recommendation by the Task Force of affixing the registration number to the aircraft. Not sure if the recommendation will be the part of the new law or not. I'm the furthest from a pro at reading and understanding this stuff! http://www.faa.gov/news/updates/media/20151213_IFR.pdf
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cjxj on December 20, 2015
Unfortunately, it also appears that your name, address and registration number will eventually be searchable online..
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schuttkerk@yahoo.com on December 17, 2015
Calling or writing your U.S. Repesentive is a good idea. Sounding like the crazy person for whom this knee jerk rule was made is not.
R/C flying is educational and inspires imagination. One thing we do NOT have enough of in the U.S. is college students is engineering, physics, or sciences in general. If we want to make a case to our elected officials, that is a strong one. Saying, "I'm a hobbiest and this violates my rights," is not going to compete with somebody claiming that someone was spying on them with a drone. The message I get from Flitetest is that flying R/C aircraft is educational and inspires imagination. That is the message to take to lawmakers. This rule inhibits that education and stiffles imagination. And you guys that are flying over the neighborhood looking for chicks sunbathing, and you know who you are, knock it off!
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docmorty1 on December 17, 2015
ok my ft flyer just burned , I made another, can I use the number for the new plane? do I pay $5.00 for every plane I have? or do I have a number like the AMA's in all my air crafts.
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docmorty1 on December 17, 2015
I build from scratch... I have rebuilt many of my friends planes and have lots of old planes that will never fly again... who would bye all my stuff, or do I just burn it all? where was the AMA on all of this! I know that I'm not alone on this ...
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vptorres on December 17, 2015
Disapointed,

30,000+ views so far on this article and only 145 supporters have signed the change.org petition. Come on guys if you do not want government control in our hobby, sign the petition so it can be forwarded to the appropriate people to get this thing pulled and re-done correctly. Join me and the 144 other supporters in having this pulled.
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Kurt0326 on December 17, 2015
I just got an email from the AMA virgin all members to hold off on registration. The AMA is fighting registration.
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anonymoose on December 17, 2015
Excellent!
Tell them to insert as the lead headline on their website.
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anonymoose on December 17, 2015
Flite Test has a huge following, and I think you should be discouraging people from registering.

Congress passed Code Section 336 titled FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012. Section 336 specifically stated the “FAA may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding model aircraft if 1) flown for hobby or recreation; 2)aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based and nationwide set of safety guidelines; and 3) the aircraft does not exceed 55 lbs...”.

When the Task Force meeting convened, the FAA opened by informing all participants that the assumption moving forward was that the FAA HAD THE AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE REGISTRATION and the SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT WOULD NOT BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, thereby shutting down AMA's argument at the beginning. AMA should have walked out of the meeting and filed an injunction to stop the FAA from moving forward with the regulations, and notify Congress of the FAA's intent.

The FAA from the outset knew they were regulating CONTRARY TO CONGRESS' INTENT to exempt hobby model aircraft.

Instead of caving in like a bunch of sheep, we need to fight back against this unlawful action.

We need to inform Congress that we are a significant industry, which generates and pays taxes, we vote, and we are one voice.

I would incourage all modellers to not register – by registering, you are legitimizing the FAA with the power to rule over us. By registering, you are entering into a contract with the FAA, and thereby opening the door for more rule making.

Do not be fooled by the 30 day free, then $5 registration fee. Next time it could be $50, then $250, then they announce that there are not enough modellers for this program, and exclude hobby flying all together. Later they may require that we register every model, every component, and require vendors to establish registration prior to selling you a servo, esc etc., putting the burden on the vendors to track sales and maintain a federally accessible database.This will put many vendor's out of business.

This action by the FAA is nothing more than to create a greater need for the FAA and increase their taxpayer funded budget.

Unfortunately, the AMA did not represent its 185,000 members by walking out of the task force meeting, instead they taught the FAA how to regulate the hobby (e.g. weight restrictions, numbers inside of our 'toy' airplanes.)

I suggest that modellers should NOT attend the AMA expo, should cancel their AMA membership (or ask for a refund if already renewed), and any lifetime members ask for a refund of their contribution, and show the AMA that we are a force, and we do not accept the AMA's failure to protect our rights. Isn't that why we joined the AMA? We relied on the AMA to protect our hobby, and we could have accomplished more without them. Did you stop to think why the AMA offered an early discount for renewal, before the FAA released their regulations? Coincidence in timing? I think not.

If the FAA registration website begins operation on 12/21/15, that means they have been working on it for a while, and the AMA has been misleading its members regarding their working with the FAA to protect our right to fly.

If no one registers, the FAA rule making will fail, just like obamacare is failing.

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Flightmaster on December 17, 2015
While most of us agree with the fact that this new regulation is not the answer, we should not be "boycotting" the AMA. Yes, many of us are wondering where the AMA is on this and if they are doing anything about it. But leaving the organization that has been the fabric of the safe model aircraft community for well over half a century would be a failure on our (model aircraft enthusiasts) part and a big mistake. If anything this should be a call to all modelers to aren't members to join. The bigger the size of the AMA, the greater the influence it will have against the government. And the same goes for the influence the AMA's member's have on the organization its self. If the AMA loses it's members, the FAA will see that as an opportunity to create even more regulations. WE must support the AMA, and push the government relations committee to do as much as possible and then some, even making our own voices as members heard. We have the freedom to fly, or the freedom to cry...and frankly flying is much more fun.
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bigrocketnerd on December 18, 2015
This, I believe, is the first step by the insurance companies to get us again with mandatory coverage for our aircraft. Just like what was done with cars.
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cjxj on December 20, 2015
So, now I'm reading that the FAA has acknowledged the database WILL eventually become searchable online. Names, home addresses and FAA numbers.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/12/18/faa-finally-admits-names-and-home-addresses-in-drone-registry-will-be-publicly-available/
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Grizzly73 on December 20, 2015
This for me is hard to say which way I feel about it, granted I can see the stink about why not to register, but I can also see why to do it as well. For someone just trying to get into the hobby I will more than likely go ahead and do the registration tomorrow when the sight comes online. However as many as said here just like all rules and regs like this it is not going to stop those people from doing stupid stuff with their planes and multi-rotors, nothing really can
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schuttkerk@yahoo.com on December 21, 2015
I have seen many people say they don't like this, but they will register. Whether or not you register is an individual choice. But, for heavens sake, don't register on the first day! Registering early is an indication that you SUPPORT this nonsense. So, even if you intend to comply, at least wait until the end of the free registration. At a minimum, go to Change.org and sign the petition. https://www.change.org/p/federal-aviation-adminitration-stop-the-faa-act-requiring-drone-model-aircraft-pilot-registration. I see a lot of grumbling here, but as of the time of this note, only 1498 people have signed the petion. Come on, people. Also, write your member of congress to bring this issue to his/her attention. These are things that take only minutes. At least don't act like Rolf and join the Brown Shirts on the first day, and sign the petion. If there are less than 1500 people willing to say the don't agree with this, nationwide, then this rule will certainly stand.
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Battershell on December 21, 2015
Just like the Obama Care website, it seems like they don't have a handle on the extreme flow of web visitors and are scared to let anyone register as of yet! Come on people maintaining a website is not that hard!
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vptorres on December 21, 2015
Registration,

At approximately 8:05AM PST I attempted to register myself with my Scratch build 250 quad with parts from Hobbyking, at the following site (http://www.federaldroneregistration.com/),

Which I had a hard time finding because the regular links that have been provided, do not link you to what seems to be the correct site/form. When I got to the part where it says "SAVE AND CHECKOUT".

The next page stated that there would be a $24.99 fee for a single drone. I am not sure if there will a higher fee if people have multiple aircraft. I was not asked for any Payment information at this/that point. But, now my name, address, email, and phone number are listed. in this database.

The picture of the copter/fee text apparently takes you to where you can enter the payment information. I did not continue on from this point.

So now I think that we are possibly going to be victims of Bait/Switch.

(Wondering what to do next)
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Battershell on December 21, 2015
Was this a hoax site?
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Noobi1951 on December 21, 2015
I've been trying to Register on the new FAA UAV site, and I don't see where to do it! An7y help would be greatly appreciated.
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Noobi1951 on December 21, 2015
Looks like I'm not the only one! Sorry I didn't read the other posts, but in frustration went right to the comments. It seems our wonderful Government has once again bit off more than it can, or should chew. Hastily drawn up at best.
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Battershell on December 21, 2015
Looks like it to me. Not the faa.gov site Flitetest said it would be at. That site still says sometime today it will go live. But it is after noon here and nothing yet.
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Battershell on December 21, 2015
Don't fall for the hoax websites guys! Only the FAA.GOV site is official!
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The-One-Who-Never-Crashes on December 21, 2015
Oh, so now there are hoax websites??? Wonderful.
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Larry Laitner on December 21, 2015
I just decided not to register right now. I went to the registration site this morning and discovered that the process seems to be for drones. You have to click "register my drone" to enter the registration process. I refuse to click "register my drone". Also, when you go to "examples of what has to be registered" all of the examples are drones. I don't fly drones, and I'm pretty sure they only had drones in mind. I'll just keep flying my RC airplane until they create a registration process for my aircraft.
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VietVet on December 24, 2015
I HAVE BEEN READING BLOG AFTER BLOG ABOUT THIS RIDICULOUS RULE. WE ALL HAVE TO CONTACT OUR CONGRESS REPS AND TELL THEM TO GET OFF THEIR DEAD (BLANKS) AND STOP THIS NOW BEFORE IT GROWS LEGS. THERE HAVE BEEN NO INCIDENTS TO WARRANT THIS TYPE OF OVERREACH. THERE HAS BEEN MORE INCIDENTS DEALING WITH LASER LIGHTS AND AVIATION AND I DON'T SEE THEM CREATING A DATA BASE FOR LASERS. STOP THIS NOW BECAUSE ONCE THE MONEY STARTS GOVERNMENT WILL NEVER, NEVER STOP TAKING IT.
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dkruger` on December 28, 2015
I am already registered with the AMA and have an AMA number. By placing that number and my name in all my planes they are already registered. So why does the FEDS require another registration??? I guess they just want to stick their greedy fingers into the model aviation hobby!
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Pugnacious Odin on December 28, 2015
AMA encourages you to peacefully protest at http://cl.exct.net/?qs=10e33a6bf70712dd850981ae947a87376f81d28057e8d628cbbc0a856baef2a0
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Pugnacious Odin on December 28, 2015
http://1.usa.gov/1Jegi0C
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Fireeng17 on January 2, 2016
So I registered today with FAA. It didn't ask me to enter my actual aircraft that I own. This just goes to show that as far as tracking aircraft is bogus. If it was such an issue every aircraft would have their own identification number and be tracked like firearms. This just sounds like FAA is in need of some funds. Also only the law abiding pilots register their planes, criminals do not. Government has got to stop regulating the good folks.
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Route66flyer on January 7, 2016
AMA was asking members not to register yet as their trying to make a deal with the FAA to use AMA members number in lieu of FAA numbers.
You were always required to put your name and contact info on your UAV and a number is easier so I really don't understand the big stink.
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Tangu22 on January 7, 2016
how would one get a regitration??? hobby store or what?
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jackdaniels729 on April 1, 2016
if you like to get a Certificate to fly any RC Aircraft you need to go to this website, it only cost $5 dollars. https://registermyuas.faa.gov/
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Robbutler1977 on March 18, 2016
yeah I'm confused! I don't think I am going to listen to podcast anymore! get me all scared before bedtime! I'm going to have nightmares about not registering my planes now and not knowing if I'm going to get that big fine or not.
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